I found a set of giant tweezers at Harbor Freight... there were 6 in the package, but only the 45 degree bent ones worked the best. The set was $5.95... then I brought up a 20% discount coupon on my smart phone.. H.-F. app... saved a little coin, but the one tweezer really works good, just grab on the lube ring and turn the pan to keep grabbing from the same end... Thanks guys for all the help, for just starting out I was able to cut a lot of corners that I otherwise would have wasted time and money figuring my own way out. For the record, I am an accuracy freak! I got my 9MM carbine to shoot a quarter size group at 25 yds... with a flier WAY TOO OFTEN!! I don't know the answer yet but working it out is half the fun right?? Started coating my .45acp's and the fun has just re-started!! ---------- Jon