BiS, I have to wonder just what you did in the locker room, that was explained away as just a youthful phase?? I do recall peering into the girls locker room a few times, I reckon that could be called a youthful phase, but sure wasn't anything ***** about it.
Yeah, but it wasn't just any bar.Originally Posted by Handloader109
The gunman's father, Seddique Mateen, appears to reside in Florida, but is said to be presently running for office in Afghanistan.
Seddique told NBC News that the sight of two men kissing angered his son.
http://www.weaselzippers.us/276782-f...f-afghanistan/
Another funny twist:
Apparently the guy was working for a company contracted to the US government to transport illegal aliens.
http://www.weaselzippers.us/276856-t...llegal-aliens/
Retired...TWICE. Now just raisin' cows and livin' on borrowed time.
You make a good point...that being the case...I don't expect them to care about my rights as I certainly don't care about theirs...as far as recognizing their "gay rights"...I will leave that to those of you in liberal Europe, to promote. And, I will also leave it to y'all to promote the love and acceptance of Islamic terrorist...as you have been doing, at the expense of your society.
When you want to blast what goes on in this country, be sure that you can give a successful example of how it was handled differently in your country. I will put what goes on in this country up against your country or any in Europe...as to which has the tenants for building the strongest society. Our problem, now, is that we have a lot of liberal minded folks such as has destroyed Europe...trying to destroy those tenants...and if allowed to accomplish this, we will turn into the sewer that Europe has become.
Last edited by shoot-n-lead; 06-12-2016 at 03:24 PM.
Char-Gar makes a good point that makes a lot of sense, IMO, but the REASON he makes sense is that his point has simple human respect for even those we believe are errant in their ways. Since we've all been errant in our times, it just follows that to receive forgiveness, we're to practice decency and a reasonable amount of tolerance in our own daily lives.
And the usage of language today, what with the de-constructing of almost all "rules of civility," means that some see certain terms as derogatory if they've been around long enough to have seen their origins, while others, who came along later, and simply grew up with these terms in common parlance, don't see them as "derogatory" necessarily. Such is the corruption of even our language today. And others, who simply think they're right and can't or don't want to see any other side simply regard it as "the way things just are."
If I, as a southern boy, used the term "n******," it wouild be seen in a very different light than if someone from CA said it.
Thus, with the infuriation that naturally springs from repeated incidents like this by jihadists, mixed with the natural and inevitable misunderstanding due to the differences in perceptions about the use of certain words in describing the events that transpired, what else would naturally result but arguments like the above, which are "much ado about nothing," as ol' Shakespeare put it.
And Char-Gar is right about its coming to churches. Whenever I'm in church today, and for the last 20 years, I'm armed. Not as heavily as I'd like to be, but I refuse to put myself in a position of defenseless victim, even when worshiping. A friend of mine in MS had a local church near his own have someone walk into the church with a backpack, and one of the members saw a gun in it, and jumped him, with other members jumping in after him, and together, they subdued the man without anyone's being injured, except as might be expected in any physical struggle. They averted what surely appeared to be an attempt at a mass murder setup!
The would-be assailant had a short barreled, folding stock "assault rifle" of some sort in the backpack, along with a pistol, and extra clips for each. Looks like he was planning to mow the whole congregation down, but was simply foiled by alert members and instant reactions. My friend's preacher often carries in a shoulder holster in the pulpit! He and some others have come up with a plan to deal with any possible repeats of such things, and several carry in church, and sit in pre-arranged spots that would offer the best tactical positions to deal with any such efforts in their own church. Beats the heck out of creating masses of defenseless victims, I think! And it may offend some's delicate sensibilities, but in our world today, with its weak to non-existent response to terrorism, it makes sense, and I don' think God expects us to sacrifice ourselves, or risk same, at ANY point in our lives ..... even in church. Others will disagree, naturally, and that's their prerogative, but even in their church, they don't spread the word who or how many are carrying, just to avoid the inevitable dissension. Such is the environment of today, that the protected don't even WANT to know they're being protected!
We truly live in very strange times, when everything seems to be turned on its head. If there's any "sign of the times," this has to be one of, if not the greatest.
Ban Mudslime terrorists born here or not will work not unless they are deported or in jail.
Remember the Boston Bombings
"The hatred being spoken in this thread by "good Christian folk" is no less vile than the act that has by perpetrated in Florida."
Seriously??? Posting whatever is morally equlivant to murdering 50 plus people. One of the most idiotic statements I have ever seen.
I think shooting started at 2am and SWAT went in at 5AM. I wonder why 3 hours? From Police station to club is only 1 mile, the main Shieff station is only 4 miles away.
You'al need to tahe this thread to the pit
It's interesting to note the guy had been being watched by the FBI for associations with a terrorist suicide bomber, I read. Then it goes on to say he purchased the guns legally. Kinda blows that "universal back ground checks work" BS out of the water, huh?
Much as the mainstream media likes to vilify the NRA, I keep waiting for someone to say he was a member. Oh wait, NRA members don't do stuff like that.
If the FBI had been keeping an eye on him, he should have been locked up or at least no allowed to pass a background check.
Was this bar a "gun free zone"?
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"You'al need to tahe this thread to the pit"
Correct, I assumed it was until I read this post. Definite Pit stuff.
Might have been. Who's to say the purveyor of peace didn't chain the other exits before going in the front door.
Yes this belongs in the pit. I really dont understand why it is not
LOYALTY ABOVE ALL ELSE, EXCEPT HONOR
"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading." -- Thomas Jefferson
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt
NRA BENEFACTOR LIFE MEMBER
I couldn't agree more; AND it's from a "moderator emeritus" no less.
I believe that the choice of a gay establishment had nothing to do with his hatred of gays but more to do with his desire to cause more of a wedge between Americans. I also believe that's why he used firearms rather then pulling a Mcveigh. Besides, if they showed up at the church I attend they wouldn't get far past the front door before they would be dropped, several of the members carry.
"If you could kick the person in the pants responsible for most of your trouble, you wouldn't sit for a month."
Theodore Roosevelt
All I know is, there are 50 or more dead in what the media is calling the worst mass shooting ever in the U.S. We have an American/gun hating socialist globalist mooslime president. You do the math and guess who's gonna suffer for this.
MUST READ!!!
http://observer.com/2016/06/jihad-denial-kills-again/
Jihad Denial Kills…Again
By John R. Schindler • 06/12/16 5:11pm
America just suffered our worst terrorist attack since 9/11. We need to start talking honestly about the enemy that keeps butchering Americans.
Tonight we burn illusions. A terrorist attack on a popular gay club in Orlando, Florida in the middle of the night ended before the dawn with the violent deaths of at least 50 innocents and the maiming of 53 more. This was the bloodiest terrorist attack on America since 9/11. The Pulse nightclub, something of an icon in Florida LGBT circles, was transformed into a charnel house.
The United States had been lucky, having avoided truly mass casualty terrorist incidents since that awful day 15 years ago, through a combination of luck, inept enemies, and excellent intelligence work. But the Orlando horror demonstrates that attacks on soft targets in public places can cause huge numbers of casualties, here as well as in Europe, like last November’s assaults on Paris that killed 130 people, 89 of them at the Bataclan theater, where a hostage situation resulted in a bloodbath. Something similar has just happened in Florida.
His statement that his son was triggered by seeing two men kissing in public seems unlikely to endear the family to the American public.
While the Paris attacks were the work of nine terrorists, plus several others providing logistical support, so far only one killer has been identified in the Orlando atrocity. While there are reports of other shooters, these remain unconfirmed, and the sole terrorist definitely involved was Omar Mateen, born in this country in 1986 to immigrant parents from Afghanistan. He was killed by police at the end of the nightmare he inflicted on Orlando.
So far, his story is shaping up as the now-customary list of jihadist clichés. The 29-year-old went from a relatively normal American life towards extremism, winding up on the radar of the FBI more than once for his aggressive beliefs. A brief marriage failed, in part because he frequently beat his wife, she claims, asserting that Mateen “was not a stable person.” A trauma like divorce leading to an embrace of jihadism is as common as can be in extremist circles.
The killer’s family has claimed that their son’s terrible act had “nothing to do with religion” – again, following the script we have come to expect whenever a young person, usually male, brutally murders strangers in the name of Islam. While Omar Mateen’s father claims to be utterly mystified by his son’s actions, that assertion should be examined closely, since Seddique Mateen has publicly praised the Taliban in his home country – the very people the American military has been fighting since late 2001. In a truly bizarre twist, Mateen Senior claims to be the real president of Afghanistan. His statement that his son was triggered by seeing two men kissing in public seems unlikely to endear the family to the American public.
Wasting no time, the Islamic State has claimed responsibility for the attack on the Pulse nightclub. This should not surprise, since Mr. Mateen is reported to have declared allegiance to ISIS just before starting his rampage, and that group boasts of its pathological hatred of homosexuals. While all Islamists view gays and lesbians with a distaste that veers easily into violence, ISIS kills them so routinely – pushing them off buildings before the cameras, for instance – that it scarcely attracts attention any longer. Nobody should be shocked that a murderer swearing allegiance to ISIS makes gays his target – particularly during Ramadan, when the group has exhorted its followers to make war on infidels with enhanced intensity.
Whether Mr. Mateen had any bona fide contacts with the Islamic State is another question, one that investigators will want to answer properly. Since he was known to the FBI, it seems likely that U.S. intelligence had questions about that too. Regardless, since the Islamic State has commanded jihadist wannabes worldwide to take action by themselves, without any direct orders from the group, it’s quite possible that this killer was simply doing what he thought ISIS would want him to do in their name.
There’s also a disturbing question about how Mr. Mateen managed to keep working as a security guard despite having been twice investigated by the FBI. He had been employed since mid-2007 by G4S, a private security firm that does work for the U.S. Government, including transporting illegal immigrants around the country for theDepartment of Homeland Security. How he kept this job even though he was known to Federal authorities for suspected ties to jihadism is something that has to be asked – and answered.
Within hours of the massacre, progressives and jihad apologists were insisting that the Orlando attack was “really” about guns – and certainly not about Islamism or jihadism. The Pulse massacre was about guns the way that the 9/11 attacks were “really” about box cutters and the 2013 Boston bombing was “really” about pressure cookers. There are millions of guns in Florida (the state has issued 1.3 million concealed carry permits alone) plus plenty of people who are not overly fond of gays. Why, then, was Omar Mateen the one who assaulted a gay club and shot dozens of innocent people?
How he kept this job even though he was known to Federal authorities for suspected ties to jihadism is something that has to be asked – and answered.
Based on his statement on the atrocity, President Obama won’t be asking that question anytime soon. Although Mr. Obama demurred from some of his customary evasions, actually calling the attack an “act of terrorism,” he quickly defaulted to his usual talking points whenever radical Muslims butcher Americans: “hate” and “guns” were cited frequently by the president, while words such as “Islamism” and “jihad” were notable by their absence. Mr. Obama’s denial of the obvious, perfected during his two terms in the White House, appears unshakeable.
These evasions are met with derision by counterterrorism professionals, who deduced Mr. Obama’s agenda back in 2009 when he dismissed the Fort Hood massacre as “workplace violence.” Spies and cops have gotten used to this president’s persistent inability to call the enemy what he actually is, even though that enemy constantly calls himself such things. “What was he gonna call Orlando,” asked an old FBI friend just hours after the Pulse attack: “gayplace violence?”
It’s not difficult to determine what’s really going on here. Just two months before this attack, an Orlando mosque hosted an Islamic theologian known for pronouncing homosexuals as deserving of death. “Death is the sentence” they merit as an act of “compassion,” the imam stated. While his invitation got some coveragein Orlando media, one wonders what the mainstream media would have to say if a white preacher in Charleston had pronounced blacks as deserving the death sentence only two months before Dylann Roof murdered nine African Americans in a church.
For years, too many Americans – including the lion’s share of our elite media and most of our politicians — have been content to deny the obvious, namely that quite a few Muslims espouse beliefs that are deeply at odds with what the vast majority of Americans believe. Some of those Muslims openly advocate violence and, if they are otherwise maladjusted, the odds they may murder in the name of Islam increase commensurately. We need to have a robust national debate on this important issue. Donald Trump has opened the door to that discussion, in his customary brusque, ham-handed way. More tact is required, but we cannot put off talking about radical Islam and jihadism any longer.
After the Bataclan massacre last autumn, the French government in effect went to war with radical Islam, pledging a “merciless” response to terrorism. This wasn’t just talk. Mass arrests of suspected radicals followed, dealing a serious blow to ISIS networks in the country. Paris meant business, finally.
In the aftermath of our own Bataclan, President Obama has offered his usual platitudes about “hate” and “guns.” This is escapism-as-counterterrorism-policy. Americans must demand better, including a reality-based assessment of our terrorism threat, from our next commander-in-chief. If we cannot name our enemy, we are already halfway to losing the war.
The ENEMY is listening.
HE wants to know what YOU know.
Keep it to yourself.
What I mean is there is a lot of feeling here that because the victims had a lifestyle that many do not agree with their lives don't matter. So when someone walks into a church and shoots dead 50 you won't be upset when I say "oh well, it's just a bunch of bitter clingers"? When we start valuing some lives over others we are into slavery territory and Hitler's domain.
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Does anyone know if clubs that serve liquor in Florida are gun free zones? Also B.O.s reaction was about what I expected. Must of been hard on him, two of his protected classes of people.
Oklahoma. Quite possibly the reddest state in the U.S.A. 77 counties, 2 elections, and not a single one went for B.O. Uh make that 3 elections, we didn't care much for Hillary either.
Yes they are gun free zones.
B.O's reaction was way less than he wanted but he knew (based on the facts) he could not push this one any further.
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