Loaded up a couple hundred 358-432 160 gr. WC in 38 Spl. over 3.5 gr. of Bulls Eye. I seat these out further and crimp in a lube groove. These have proven to be quite accurate out of my S & W Combat Masterpiece. Still experimenting though. Have about one more day to shoot and then will stop - deer season starts here on Sunday and I don't like to shoot on my range on the farm during deer season - too many hunters out on adjoining property. And, it's been very windy and COLD here today!