Ok have only done about 150 rds of paper patch my best load is shooting sub minute vertical and about 1.5 minute horizontal at 200yds this may be as good as it gets, everything I've tried to improve just opens up. I would like to have the opinions of you more experienced paper patch shooters. Shiloh sharps standard chamber 30"heavy # 3 45/70 with mva sights. Starline brass necked only .200, exp back to.450 dia., cci br2 primer,under powder news wad, swiss 1F 85gr, 1 milk carton 2 .030 walters, about .200 compression, sagebrush elliptical 530 gr .443, baco paper to .449.5, seated .125 snug in case, and a snug fit into bore. Opinions appreciated Danny Norris