another page of useless bickering
just my opinion, at least I kept it short.
Tim
another page of useless bickering
just my opinion, at least I kept it short.
Tim
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True Mike, they also state that their formula isn't accurate for flat based bullets. They say it tends to underestimate stability for flat based bullets.
You will learn far more at the casting, loading, and shooting bench than you ever will at a computer bench.
There are other barrels that are just as accurate as Krieger and I am almost sure that the builder of the rifle would be acceptable to changing it for the sake of achieving the goals.
Steve
Why is it necessary to have all the barrels at once take them one at a time and work it to it's maxium potential before moving on.
Steve
First- Berger does have a desire to sell their bullets. Right? This stuff is all much more applicable to long range shooters than it is to short range shooters. By short range I mean under 300 yards, certainly under 200.
Second- alloy works out to roughly 1% tin, 3.25% antimony. I say roughly because my range scrap was tested years ago and may have changed and I am using what I believe to be monotype but even then who knows what the exact composition of it is at this point. I don't know how "worn out" the type metal was when I bought it. Good thing is that I have lots of both still on hand so I can get pretty repeatable alloy if I need more.
Third- I think a great many things go into the "real" stability of a bullet. This is why they give things as a range, not as an absolute. What we don't know if those factors have any real world affect on what we are doing. I sorta doubt it. I won't be noticing a .010 difference at 100 yards. Now if i was shooting at 600 to 1000 it matters much more so but I don't have intentions of doing so.
You will learn far more at the casting, loading, and shooting bench than you ever will at a computer bench.
so is any one going to post any results?
You will learn far more at the casting, loading, and shooting bench than you ever will at a computer bench.
Comparing actually measured BCs (the M43 Oehler can do that) and their actual drop figures measured by actually shooting at ranges to 400 yards I find the standard G1 function to be the closest for use with the flat based bullets we use at velocities over 1800 fps. It's the G function I use in computing the Sg factor based on the Miller Stability Formula.
Larry Gibson
btroj, better get them while I got them! just got a few 30 cal in the other day.
I may wait til your next shipment, I still have 4K right now. I have used almost 1K this year getting bullets ready for heat treating and what now. That last bag went pretty fast....
You will learn far more at the casting, loading, and shooting bench than you ever will at a computer bench.
Mike, your inbox is full
You will learn far more at the casting, loading, and shooting bench than you ever will at a computer bench.
Cant wait to see those results Larry.
I've got a buddy blowing my phone up, asking to go shooting (I think he liked it) but I'm covered over this weekend, and I already shot up or gave away all my bullets (if anybody ever hears me say I want a 2 cavity brass mold instead of a 5 cavity aluminum mold, just slap me till I come to my senses!).
Good luck to everybody who's shooting.
Precision in the wrong place is only a placebo.
I think I can help you with that Brad. If you can't reproduce your alloy, you're dead in the water. I say this especially if that group you posted in the HV thread was shot with this unknown alloy. You need to be able to get back there if it was a combination that sorta worked.
I can beg a favor from my buddy with the XRF machine.
Funny story there. He came to me a few weeks ago in a panic and told me that he had lost his titanium wedding band and his wife was about to kill him. He showed me pictures of the original, and I cut him a new one out of titanium. A couple hours under a microscope with a graver rendered a very fine band that looked better than the original. Yeah, he owes me big time. LOL!
Precision in the wrong place is only a placebo.
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Rick, I have little baggies full of bullets with writing in the baggie. This is part of the reason I did my cleaning a few weeks back. I had so many bullets I wasn't using any more and they needed to go away. 265 pounds worth
You will learn far more at the casting, loading, and shooting bench than you ever will at a computer bench.
I've seen Sarge's loading bench. He messed it up so as not to make people feel bad. LOL!
Sarge, I have a chronograph here I'm not using this weekend. Feel free to come borrow it. I'll even let you take my bipod.
(just give me a few minutes to weld some steel plate to it) LOL!
Precision in the wrong place is only a placebo.
BP | Bronze Point | IMR | Improved Military Rifle | PTD | Pointed |
BR | Bench Rest | M | Magnum | RN | Round Nose |
BT | Boat Tail | PL | Power-Lokt | SP | Soft Point |
C | Compressed Charge | PR | Primer | SPCL | Soft Point "Core-Lokt" |
HP | Hollow Point | PSPCL | Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" | C.O.L. | Cartridge Overall Length |
PSP | Pointed Soft Point | Spz | Spitzer Point | SBT | Spitzer Boat Tail |
LRN | Lead Round Nose | LWC | Lead Wad Cutter | LSWC | Lead Semi Wad Cutter |
GC | Gas Check |