As this is my first post I'll try to be brief. I own a 1885 Win. traditional hunter in 405win. In 2013 I shot a cow @ 100 yds. using a Montana bullet works 433gr paper patch bullet. Took out a 4" chunk of rib going in, trashed the lungs,shatered the off-side shoulder and stopped under the hide. Bullet expanded to .85" with perfect mushroom. Loaded with 42gr H4895 they average 1750fps. My other cast bullet shooter is a Farmingdale Shiloh .54 percussion sporter. I cast 490gr Sharps ringtail bullets with a NEI mold. Haven't shot an elk with the 54 but I have shot deer. They just fall down !