I finally used the dies from HG and as I thought, they are ****. The point forming die immediately stuck and split the brass jacket. Not really polished....the point is really ****. Almost completely flat, the meplate is about 7/8th the dia. of the bullet. Not good for me. Oh well, lesson learned. I am going to try to reform the point forming die into a usable point, ogive, and the other die am using for a sizing die. Its pretty good and is the dia I wanted...