Some confusion about Hodgdon 'Clays' powders - - -

[Randy in Arizona]

Some confusion about Hodgdon 'Clays' powders - - -
IIRC Clays was first, but then came International Clays & Universal Clays.

BUT some loads just call out Clays - I don't feel comfortable assuming it is the original Clays as opposed to International Clays or Universal Clays.

Hodgdon seems to be trying to fix things by dropping Clays from the names of International Clays & Universal Clays.

I am after an economical, clean burning powder for 45 ACP for use with cast 200gr bullets in a suppressed MAC 10.

Suggestions folks?

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[RickinTN]

Clays works well in my 1911's. Yes, the original Clays. I tried Universal once and after 10 rounds or so had so much un-burned powder it locked up the action.
Rick

[prs]

Hmmm. Little sound, so also need little smoke and no need for grime in your action. Powder coat the boolits instead of lube. Use 700X and you will be stealth for sure.

prs

[KYCaster]

All three were introduced at the same time and it didn't take Hodgdon long to recognize the problem, so they dropped the name "Clays" from International and Universal.

For example current packaging says "UNIVERSAL" and under that, in much smaller print "CLAYS TECHNOLOGY".

Current published loading data from Hodgdon lists "Clays" or "International" or "Universal". You'd have to go back to their first year of production to find it listed any other way.

There are many other examples I find more confusing....like.....

Winchester WST, WSL and WSF, also 680 and 760.

Alliant Reloder 7, Re10, Re12, Re15, Re17, Re19 (or is it Rx10, etc) , also Red Dot, Green Dot, Blue Dot.

Accurate #2, #5, #7, #9.

IMR 4756 and 4759, also 4198, 4895, 4831, and 700X, 800X.

Military surplus WC680 and WC860.

It's just basic reloading 101.....stick with the book recipe......and a basic component of that is using the correct powder.

At least you have enough sense to admit your confusion and ask for clarification. That's the best thing you can do in your situation.

I hope this answered your question and didn't add to the confusion.

Jerry

[triggerhappy243]

power pistol is what I use,

[sargenv]

Funny.. I'm not confused at all by any of the different numbers, letters, or other things that loading recipes call for, but then I'm also not confused about Flour, salt, baking soda, baking powder, or sugar in baking recipes... being that they are all white powdery substances of varying grain sizes..

[funnyjim014]

m not bad the all the powder numbers and names.... mold numbers on the other hand still get me cornfused on whats what