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Thread: Social Security Disability Turned me Down

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    In the early 1980’s we had a significant recession goingon. Unemployment was rampant and manypeople faced significant problems, caused if not directly, then indirectly bythe loss of work. In some cases, thatloss was temporary but many people lost their employment permanently due toplant closures or permanent down-sizing. At that time I was the Union vice-chair at the plywood plant, Chairmanof the local Union Health and Safety Committee and an elected officer of mylocal Union. In October the plant whereI worked went from keeping everyone partially employed on a two week on, twoweek off schedule to about a sixty percent total lay-off. I was offered the opportunity to set-up anoffice (desk and phone in the local labor council’s space) and given the simplemandate of “go and help unemployed people”!! The pay was just slightly better than I could get on EmploymentInsurance. While the office was set upunder the auspices of the BC Federation of Labor, we served anybody, unionizedor not. Any service rendered was done atno charge.The above is just “background” for my comments on the OPin this thread. I learned very quicklythat beaurocrats of any/all stripe REALLY do not want public attention drawn totheir slimy ways! I learned to pickettheir offices, and if that was not successful, to get the media involved. In reading the OP and the many stories ofshameful treatment by agents of your system, it occurred to me that, eithersingularly, or by forming a group (there is power in numbers) you might justget one of the TV hosts that do “human interest” shows (Lisa Lang or AndersonCooper etc.) interested enough to do some kind of exposé. I found that often just the threat of visiblepublic action worked.
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    most all of water said here is true hang in there. be cautious of the depression alcoholism statement however, some states will take your guns for that.
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    I know one person who's quadraplegic, has been since he was 10. He still was turned down on his first attempt to get SSD.
    One other I know was nearly killed a few months ago, but his sister filled out the paperwork, and he was approved almost immediately. The difference? His sister works for the SSA, and knew exactly what paperwork to fill out, as well as HOW to fill it out.
    Strangely, if you're truly disabled, they aren't going to help you with that paperwork when you walk into their offices.
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    Well, I have actually started drafting a letter to my state representative who I have voted for in the last 2 elections. I am hoping that she will take the time to actually read the letter and get involved. I am not asking for any special treatment, I just think that someone who is close to the point of being destitute should take a little priority over those that are collecting unemployment or might already be drawing some form of pubic aid. I have never mentioned this, but it just came to mind, I was actually turned down for FOOD STAMPS because I MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY. I know I have said this before, and all the pubic agencies are aware of it. I don't have a job, I don't have income, no income from any source, period! How do I make too much money to qualify for food stamps? I am just totally amazed that we have allowed the system to get to the point that it is at. I am almost tempted to take Blackthorn's advice and get the news medial involved, but I wouldn't know where to start there either. I am just an old, working man who never thought he would be in this position.

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    How long ago did you last work? They look back a certain amount of time to determine income, they also look at savings for food stamps and SSI

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryB View Post
    How long ago did you last work? They look back a certain amount of time to determine income, they also look at savings for food stamps and SSI
    It has been over a year since I worked and I have no savings, no vehicle, no assets, I own some clothes, a handgun, a rifle, a laptop, and some books. I own no property, no 401k, no bonds, no financial assets of any kind.

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    Yes, it is all in the presentation. My wife worked for SS for years. We got all the correct documentation together, and I was approved in 30 days.
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    Once you get a disability determination then food stamps will be easy. Right now they expect you to work 20 hours a week(at least in MN, varies by state). SSI they should not have turned you down over making to much so that is something your lawyer needs to raise cain over.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyDog25 View Post
    It has been over a year since I worked and I have no savings, no vehicle, no assets, I own some clothes, a handgun, a rifle, a laptop, and some books. I own no property, no 401k, no bonds, no financial assets of any kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryB View Post
    Once you get a disability determination then food stamps will be easy. Right now they expect you to work 20 hours a week(at least in MN, varies by state). SSI they should not have turned you down over making to much so that is something your lawyer needs to raise cain over.
    I hope they don't expect me to work 20 hours, I can't stand or sit for longer than about 10 minutes and can't walk without the use of a walker. My right foot is completely numb, so I don't even drive because I can't feel the gas pedal or brake pedal. Nah, I'm not disabled.

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    I had torn rotator cuffs in both shoulders and blown discs from l1to s1 that make it hard for me to sit too, I am always up and down, pace the house, and I fight foot numbness but not quite as bad as you. Not much I could do for work anymore, repairing electronics requires lifting and sitting at a test bench for hours a day. Tech support meant sitting and answering phone 8 hours a day, SSA rep even suggested filing papers, messed up shoulders and a no repetitive motion order from my docs killed that.

    Don't give up, took me 3 tries and a hearing before a judge then the back pay rolled in. A lot went to pay off medical bills that weren't covered by my former employer(native american casino, sovereign territory, impossible to sue and win a work comp claim against tribal judges and tribal jury) but I had enough left to buy a decent car to get around in. I was very close to filing bankruptcy before it finally happened though.

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    I got approved the first time without hiring a lawyer but i had 5 back operations in the previous 2 years and still have as spinal stimulator to block pain implanted in my back, funny thing is my buddy had a broken neck and more spine damage then me and didnt get approved the first time. For the most part unless you hire a lawyer to represent you your probably going to get turned down the first time. Keep in mind though that if you get approved on your second try you will get back pay back to your first application date or one years worth whichever is the lesser. theres a book in print somewhere that was given to me (I had to return it and the person no longer lives here) that gives you a step by step walk through to what to say and how to answer there questions to get approved. Maybe a web search would find it for you.

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    I would refile for food stamps based upon what you stated. Please pm me if you get denied and the reason. Sorry not in Florida but I do work at a Welfare Agency and can at least let you know what they tell you is true. Food Stamps are a Federal program so the basic requirements are the same nationwide. Some states do put restrictions on other programs associated with assistance. Let me know if I can help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWolf View Post
    I would refile for food stamps based upon what you stated. Please pm me if you get denied and the reason. Sorry not in Florida but I do work at a Welfare Agency and can at least let you know what they tell you is true. Food Stamps are a Federal program so the basic requirements are the same nationwide. Some states do put restrictions on other programs associated with assistance. Let me know if I can help.

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    Thank you very much Ron, I greatly appreciate that. I was advised to reapply again for food stamps, although nothing has changed in my situation. I wasn't making any money when I applied the first time but they somehow got the impression that I was and denied me. I am going to reapply tomorrow online, but if nothing has changed I don't see how they are going to approve me now. Thanks again Ron for your offer to help, I just might take you up on that if they tell me no again. I have got to get someone to say yes pretty soon about some type of assistance, things are going to start getting really sticky around here with us trying to pay everything on my wife's retirement. If you can think of any other public assistance that might can help please let me know.

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    It took me also 4 times and they finally gave me SSI-Disability. Some great thing they did, but once you hit 65 it goes away anyhow. I was hit by a car doing 40mph on a US Naval Station that took out both of my knees leaving me with one artificial. SSI-Diabity STILL said I wasn't elegible for Disability because I could SIT at a TABLE and do work, guess I'm the wrong ethnic faction, American Indian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyDog25 View Post
    I have never seen a more corrupt and retarded program as Social Security Disability. I have almost total paralysis in my right leg, I have only partial use of my left hand due to pressure on the nerves in my spine, over 50% of my joints are artificial, I cannot walk without a walker, I don't sleep at night because the pain is unbearable and I literally sit and cry sometimes that I am in so much pain. I take 3 different medications for depression, I have a morphine pump, plus take oral morphine, I cannot stand or sit for any length of time greater than 10 minutes. I would never be able to work in the condition I am in right now but our great Social Security Disability system sent me a letter that I received on Saturday and said that I do not meet the criteria of being disabled and I was turned down...Really??? I would love to know what they do consider to be disabled. Oh well, I just wanted to vent. Thanks for listening.

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    I just saw this so just responding.

    As Fishhawk said these sobs never approve on the first try.

    When I retired I came out with 90% & the VA upped it to 100%. Won't go into it all but orthopaedically I am a mess.

    They denied me & I couldn't get any info about it except they said appeal. So I did & was denied.

    We moved to VA & I got a lawyer. We had to go before a Judge. My att gave him papers, he looked at it, my att said something & the SSA rep objected, the Judge said stop, asked how they could possibly object to approving my app since there was more documentation than he had ever seen.

    In & out in 20 min tops. Had to give att 25% (I think) but still put around 40k in my pocket in retroactive benefits.

    So, take your stuff to a lawyer that specializes in SSA (not Bender& Bender) & is recommended by others.

    Good luck. I know a lot of people scam the system but a lot of people get hosed in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Smale View Post
    I got approved the first time without hiring a lawyer but i had 5 back operations in the previous 2 years and still have as spinal stimulator to block pain implanted in my back, funny thing is my buddy had a broken neck and more spine damage then me and didnt get approved the first time. For the most part unless you hire a lawyer to represent you your probably going to get turned down the first time. Keep in mind though that if you get approved on your second try you will get back pay back to your first application date or one years worth whichever is the lesser. theres a book in print somewhere that was given to me (I had to return it and the person no longer lives here) that gives you a step by step walk through to what to say and how to answer there questions to get approved. Maybe a web search would find it for you.
    I was awarded a number of years retroactive. As I said to the tune of 40K. I think it was a good 5 yrs.

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    When you are approved you are paid from the date of application, not approval.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Smith View Post
    When you are approved you are paid from the date of application, not approval.
    Is that the date of the first application? I only ask because I had to completely fill out a new application and reapply the first time I was denied.

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    Should go back to the first, but your lawyer needs to know this pronto

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    Good luck with the process. Guess I just got lucky. I applies on August 12th and was approved on the 27th. Just going through the waiting time now. The worker told me most people get it the first try.
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