Vihtavuori N110 in 30-30 or 375W/38-55?

[andym79]

Hi just wondering in anyone uses VV N110 for light to moderate loads behind cast in the 30-30 or 375W/38-55?

The projectiles I use are 170GN for the 30-30 and 250GN for the 375W.

Also does anyone know if VVN110 responses well to light loading?

[Scout800a]

I haven't used VV110, but if it acts like H110 or 296 you wont get the load density you need in that case to make it work right.

[andym79]

So assuming it acts like H110 or VV110, there will be too much air space for a light cast load? Does it need to be packed to work well?

This is what I have come across so far and in no way relates to the 30-30 or 375W!

In the 357 magnum loads of N110 are always lower than H110. For some projectiles the starting loads of H110 are almost as high as the max loads, not so N110.

In the 44 magnum again H110 loads are mostly 5-6 grains high N110. The range for min max is greater for N110 than H110. In many H110 loads the data calls for magnum primers, no N110 loads call for magnum primers! Whats is true here for H110 is true foe 296 also.

I was hoping N110 behaves like 2400!

I am yet to get a definitive answer on N110.

I was thinking 15 grains for a nice light 1200-1300fps load in the 375w!

[Tatume]

So assuming it acts like H110 or VV110 ...

H110 is not appropriate for reduced loads.

[andym79]

H110 is not appropriate for reduced loads.

Thanks - established H110 is not good for reduced loads, definitely not going to work in the 30-30 or 375W and it needs magnum primers even in much smaller cases!

Does it actually burn less well than some slower powders then?

But what about N110 that the powder I am interested in. VV powders are on special in the LGS and if N110 is like 2400 then it could be a good cast powder.

[justified]

Andy,

I just registered so I could reply...

I use VV N110 for moderate loads in the 38-55, among others. Being a stick powder, it doesn't suffer the same precautions as H110/W296 and works quite well in straight-wall cases with cast bullets. It burns very clean with low velocity spreads and I much prefer it to XMP5744 (or 2400) in those applications.

I was interested in duplicating the old Winchester "Hi-Velocity" 38-55 load for my 1894: a 255 gr bullet @ 1590 fps. Since there is no published data for N110 in large volume rifle cases (that I could find), I used QuickLoad for workup and found my results matched its predicted velocities very closely.

QuickLoad estimates 19.0 grains VV N110 with my 260gr gas-check bullet would produce 1579 fps @ 21.9kpsi. I actually got 1544 fps with an extreme spread of 7fps over 10 shots. (This is in conjunction with Starline 2.125" cases and Winchester LRP's out of a 26" Winchester 1894. No dacron or other nonsense required.) A nice clean, accurate load where the cases literally fall out of the chamber after being shot.

I'm just relating my experiences. This is untested / unpublished data and should be treated accordingly.

John

[andym79]

Thanks for that John. Its nice to know that I wasn't too far off the mark with N110 and it can be used for light loads in the 375W. A clean burning equivalent to 2400.

H110 however can not be used, but I cant get that down under anyway!

[rintinglen]

I gave it a try in 30-30, but I only had the tag end of a jug to work with, the rest having been used to prove that my 44 Rugers preferred 2400. I tried it with a 190 grain RCBS 30-180 FP and 14 grains N110. It worked ok, but VV is half again as much locally as Hogdon or Alliant powders, and much less commonly available. (Not that any powders are readily available, but even in good times VV is thin on the ground.) Data is also a bit problematic as well.
I picked up a bottle of 2400 and am back to using 17.5 grains of that for my 30-30 mid-range plinkers..

[sthwestvictoria]

A bit of googling turns up this factory load data using N110 in the 30-30 for reduced loads from a German cast bullet manufacturing company H&N:
http://www.hn-sport.de/fileadmin/use...rungsdaten.pdf

However no experience using that powder myself.

[andym79]

Thanks for that mate, I am proposing a slightly lower load, but it looks like it is a reasonable safe powder to reduce unlike H110!

[jsizemore]

I was trying to get a reduced load in my 32-20 for Hunter Pistol Silhouette. I pushed 2400 and H110 too low and squibed the loads. I found that there was no manufacturers lower limit on VVN110. I found a great load shooting cast with 1.25" groups at 100 yards from my Contender that didn't beat my face when shooting taco hold. Got my Grand Slam in 2 matches.

[andym79]

I am going to give it a go in both my 30-30 and 375W and update once its been tested!

[jsizemore]

The nice thing about doing the load development is you can look down the barrel after a shot and tell if your in the operating range of the powder. No chunks or sooty debris, good. Love that VhitaVuori N110. N135 in 30-30 style/size cases is also a winner. Turkey head shots at 150 and hole in the horn at 200.

[andym79]

Tried some VV N110 in the 375 Winchester today behind the Lee 379-250 BB. It seemed to like it. These shoots were taken sitting, peep sights at 100 yards. Range 62F blue sky 2-5mph wind left to right.

Green = 12.5 grains
Purple = 14 grains
Pink = 15.5 grains
Red= 17 grains

The 14 grains at 1230fps looks like my new load in the 375W, accurate and with a soft fast push. Will try and test the same powder a bit lower in the 30-30 soon.

[Balta]

Waiiting for results with 30-30

[andym79]

CAUTION AT THIS STAGE I CAN NOT RECOMMEND THIS LOAD!!!!

Please see this thread
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...17#post2889817

Accuracy was beautiful, but further investigation is required!

[3leggedturtle]

H110 is not appropriate for reduced loads.

If you look in some of the oldr Hodgdon manuals they have a load for the 32/40 that uses 9-11grains of H110 with a 165gr boolit. I always wonder why they had listed. These manuals/load guides are from 2001 to 2007. Any know or used these?

[andym79]

Interesting the 32-40 isn't that different from the 30-30 a 9 grains is low!

[3leggedturtle]

Interesting the 32-40 isn't that different from the 30-30 a 9 grains is low!

According to a the Load data from Hodgdon. 12grs of H110 behind a 196gr HOCH boolit gives 1376fps at 19,200CUP. How come this is ok but in straight walled pistol cartridges its says not to go less 97% case capacity? I'm curious. Does anyone on here know why this is?