Shiloh or C Sharps

[appleseedgunsmith]

.42-60 marlin! why not a new cartridge with a new name? had this discussion already with MLV on another site. if they could get the phariss .40-70 govt approved, it could be done with this as well, just need to petition the nra. any supporters?

[Don McDowell]

Nope ,if you want to get your cartridge approved for the NRA matches, then you're the one that needs to do the research and gather the documentation that would prove to the NRA competitions committee that the cartridge should be allowed. Others have done the work for their cartridges and rifles, you can do the same if you are truly interested.
The 40-70 is documented in the sharps records, so that was an easy one.

[appleseedgunsmith]

I said supporters. not researchers. and how does that phariss .40-70 govt based on the 45-70 fit into the game if historical documentation is required, and the true cartridge dimensions are not historically accurate. doesnt "spirit of the game" apply somewhere?

[Don McDowell]

You need research to document the provenance of the cartridge you are trying to get approved. You want the 444 Marlin approved you'll need to show how it's tied to something originally loaded in the US with blackpowder.
Might check with C Sharps for some help on that, they've been offering the 444 in 75's and higwalls for quite awhile now.

[semtav]

.42-60 marlin! why not a new cartridge with a new name? had this discussion already with MLV on another site. if they could get the phariss .40-70 govt approved, it could be done with this as well, just need to petition the nra. any supporters?

Sure, why not, but get the whole 42 series approved. I've got a 42-85 Wesson modified to use 45-90 cases.

[appleseedgunsmith]

sounds like a plan.

[waksupi]

.42-60 marlin! why not a new cartridge with a new name? had this discussion already with MLV on another site. if they could get the phariss .40-70 govt approved, it could be done with this as well, just need to petition the nra. any supporters?

I assure you, if Dan Pharris undertakes to do something he definitely has his ducks in a row, and is using an appropriate chambering.

[appleseedgunsmith]

im sure it didnt hurt that he worked for shiloh at the time....politics, politics, politics

[appleseedgunsmith]

latest update....... slug gun barrel has arrived.....octagon! thanks John Taylor.

[winchester 71]

Angus in Wyoming................I hava had up to 6 Montana made Sharps rifles at one time.....I still have a Shilo 40-65 and won't sell it.........The ladies at Shilo seem to now hate people and are quite
confrontational if you ask any questions and don't seem to be of any cash potential......the whole
attitude has changed and they do not seem to care or have any intrest in their customer..I thought this was me and over the last gun show season talked to others here in montana about what I felt
and they confirmed my observations........I don't know if quality is still there but it's kind of hard to throw down several thousand dollars to somone who really doesn't like you..........the guys at
C Sharps manufacture great rifles and are sociable and help all they can with what your interested
in and don't get confrontational........If I go for another sharps rifle it will be for sure a C.Sharps
as if something happens with it they will be there 100 percent to help you ,I discovered the policy at Shilo from what the ladies told me is you bought it and its yours, any issues you PAY to fix it..........

[Gunlaker]

Your experiences with Shiloh are pretty much the opposite of what I've experienced with them. They've always treated me well. The folks at C. sharps have definitely improved the customer experience since Pete started handling it though. I like both companies, Shiloh for their Sharps rifles and CSA for their 1885's.

Chris.

[hickstick_10]

They've been good to me as well, I dont know how winchester 71 got the cold shoulder. Although anyones patience will wear thin if someones doing some extended window shopping on the phone.

I discovered the policy at Shilo from what the ladies told me is you bought it and its yours, any issues you PAY to fix it..........

If you buy a used gun, perhaps this is true. With a new one and a filled out warranty card they stand by their product and replacement parts are provided no charge.

Have you purchased a new Bryan production Shiloh and did you fill out your warranty card?

[Don McDowell]

Angus in Wyoming................I hava had up to 6 Montana made Sharps rifles at one time.....I still have a Shilo 40-65 and won't sell it.........The ladies at Shilo seem to now hate people and are quite
confrontational if you ask any questions and don't seem to be of any cash potential......the whole
attitude has changed and they do not seem to care or have any intrest in their customer..I thought this was me and over the last gun show season talked to others here in montana about what I felt
and they confirmed my observations........I don't know if quality is still there but it's kind of hard to throw down several thousand dollars to somone who really doesn't like you..........the guys at
C Sharps manufacture great rifles and are sociable and help all they can with what your interested
in and don't get confrontational........If I go for another sharps rifle it will be for sure a C.Sharps
as if something happens with it they will be there 100 percent to help you ,I discovered the policy at Shilo from what the ladies told me is you bought it and its yours, any issues you PAY to fix it..........

Interesting what happens when a 6 year old thread gets brought back up....
Angus in Wyoming changed his handle bought a Shiloh, and last I heard had packed up the outfit and moved to Norway..
Funny about that thing with the girls at Shiloh, had a firing pin break during the nationals at Raton, called them between relays, the package was waiting for me when I got home. No questions asked..
Just had some modifications made to my roughrider, they called and told me what the cost was and the rifle was ready to ship, and was there anything else I needed... Then they called and said the rifle had shipped and was making sure the other rifle I had rebarreled was alright... Yup them are some really snarly folks... NOT.
Had a transfer bar break on my CSA twice, cost me 40 bucks both times until I sent the broken ones in. Then I wanted the rifle rebarreled, the price came back at almost 900$... Ubecha that's sure a good way to keep your customers happy...

[bigted]

i do have to chime in with my experience with the GIRLS at Shiloh as well. my rifle WAS and IS a used Hartford rifle and it had been thru several owners before i rescued it from the mass's. upon finding the problem [myself] i then went to their forum site where i was hoping to find an answer as to how to proceed with this company and was treated with as stupid a reception as anybody could hope to not have with ANY group of people. kinda a good thing i was snowed in here in Alaska as i dearly wanted to look some of these "fellers" up and teach some manners to rather dullard type folks. i still have a bit of problem going there to ask about anything or post findings on ANY subject. HOWEVER >>>

upon calling Shiloh on the regular telephone ... i was in contact with those GIRLS at once and not a snarly word was spoken to me. this from a company whom did not know me from Adam. they put me in touch with the ...[ one at least]... owner of their operation and his attitude was so drippy and friendly that i had to try to remember if i didnt know him from somewhere. in my dealings since then with the GIRLS ... i have had nothing but help and courteous treatment. never had a grumble or snarl with any of them so far. sure hope that it hasn't changed for whatever reason.

[montana_charlie]

i still have a bit of problem going there to ask about anything or post findings on ANY subject.

I clearly remember following that 'Shiloh boo boo' thread of yours. While it's rare for me to pay him a compliment, it was Don McDowell who tried to get those dingos to stop tearing at your pantlegs.

CM

[bigted]

Charlie ... man this will make his day. i get grumbly even thinkin about that fiasco. it only takes a few to make a place seem uninhabitable huh?

[Socal147]

Just got my C Sharps 1885 Highwall Classic 45/70. Ordered back in December 16th, In my hands on February 7th. Not bad at all.
Fit, finish, and all around looks are tops. Shot about 50 round thru it today to get a feel. Had some rounds that were a bit too long to feed. Work on that in the morning. Very happy with my purchase.

At the Apple Valley Gun Club
Sunny
68 Degrees F
No Wind

[Socal147]

A little more gun porn. Wont be able to get back out until Tuesday.

I so want to kill a deer with this rifle. Round 28" barrel. Nice to carry and with my light loads, a pleasure to shoot. I am sure it will drop any 12 pointer without a hitch. The rail is for future glass. My eyes are not the greatest.

[bigted]

very nice!!! that be a great example of what rifles should look like. i am fond of the 74 Sharps and own 2 of them however i like the Hiwalls ...[i have 3 of them]... and always have from a kid and this one has the look of a great field pard for about a lifetime. looks to be 45-70 so i bet she shoot about the same as my cheaper Japchester Hunter model. if so ... you are in for a full and enjoyable time with your new rifle.

congratulations !!!

[Socal147]

Thank you,
Yep, I edited my first post to indicate 45/70. Can't believe I left that out. Reloaded some more rounds today and shortened up some others a bit. The bullet was just hitting the rifling causing the round to want to back out. Now I have three hundred to send. Can't wait ........