I've noticed members mentioning hunting with these thin skinned bullets every once in awhile and I'm kind of thinking that some have misconceptions about hunting with them. When I first started swaging them, I did quite a bit of testing to see how they might work for hunting. From what I've experienced, (shooting them into water jugs and wet newspaper); they basically explode on contact. Even the water jug test was very disappointing, with no weight retention at all; just pieces left in the jug. I even tried soldering the core to the jacket using flux and a torch, and that wasn't much better. The only game I'd consider hunting with .223 is Javelina (our local small pig), but I figure my .243 is better suited for that task (especially for longer shots). I guess there are some out there that like to blow up rodents, but that's not my bag; I hunt for meat on the table. Anyway, if you're thinking of hunting with these highly frangible bullets for decent sized game; you're probably going to be sorely disappointed and end up with alot of fur flying and a very unclean kill. If you hunt with .223, you may want to save your good hunting bullets for hunting; and shoot the swaged bullets from .22 cases for practice at steel targets and such (we all need to practice). Just my 2 cents, and I'll probably be viciously attacked now.