william i sure do agree with you. I was allways a glock hater up till about 5 years ago. I bought my first a 23 and developed respect for it and ended up buying a couple more glocks. They will NEVER replace my 1911s though. Ive grown up with a 1911 in my hands and have shot probably a million rounds through them over the years and anymore they just match up with my brain and work automaticaly and i just shoot them better. I agree too that probably the biggest downside to glocks are there triggers. mine have had work done on them but there still a far cry from a masaged 1911 trigger. But ill say this. If **** hit the fan tommarow and i could only grab one gun to run with it would be my 23. I dont think its ever missed a beat and i dont remember the last time ive cleaned it but theres been THOUSANDS of rounds of good old dirty cast bullets through it and about all i do with it is give it a squirt of oil on the rails once in a while. I guess one of these days im going to have to clean it but its gotten to the point that i almost want it to stumble once first. Might be a few more years kind of like comparing a new camero to an old 70 chevelle ls6. The camero gives great performance and all you have to do is add gas and go. The ls6 gives great performance but is a bit finiky and needs a bit of wrench time to keep running at its peak. But which would you rather have when down town crusing the strip?