Pickers / Flippers buying on S&S for the "sole purpose" of reselling on Auction sites

[jgt]

Some folks love to play the victim. This thread is about flippers. It has nothing to do with sellers. Sellers put a price on their items and someone will buy their items if the price is ok with them. The issue is about a forum classified ad board that was for members to help other members by pricing surplus item so other members could get what they needed to engage in this hobby. When flippers take advantage of the board for purposes that were not intended, we have every right to call them on it. There is absolutely no need for anyone to get their panties in a wad over it except the guilty parties. If that shoe doesn't fit then there is no need to wear it. So stop with all this self justification on the part of people selling as vendors on the board. No one was talking about you. We were discussing "FLIPPERS" buying here for the purpose of reselling on e-bay for a profit at the expense of good hearted people trying to help fellow members. We know about business 101 and have no need for you to educate us on economics. We aren't advocating communism or any other such nonscence. What is at issue here is integrity.

[WILCO]

I've seen some pretty ignorant posts in this thread. Sad how folks don't understand basic economics. Besides the government, nobody can make you purchase anything for a price you don't want to pay. It's such ignorance that has brought us to where we are today as a nation.

[Balduran]

I believe that the word "family" you spoke is key Goodsteel.
The people here who consider their fellow casting afficinadoes family are incensed that uncle Larry sold his nephew Paul a item for less than its value to help him out. However Paul sold the item for full value to Joe down the street to get some extra scratch so he can get into Sally pants.
Others may be here for the opportunitys, and that is fine.
In my opinion, it is up to the seller to be vigilant over his sales. If you want your stuff to go to family then say so in your add and watch who you sell to. If you don't care who buys it that's fine as well.
The one who missed a deal has no place moaning. That is for a seller who found he was taken in by a phony sob story .
I am willing to bet that none who are vendors here would make an offer to someone who stated that their undervalued price was a consideration to family.
Jody

[justing]

i will admit that i sell on eBay, but what i sell DOES NOT COME FROM HERE! and i cant see why some one would take advantage of this awesome group of castboolit members in such a way.

[Fishman]

Several people have mentioned the words "family" and "friends". That is how I view someone I am dealing with in the swapping and selling section. There is no way I would buy something from a friend for less than it is worth and then turn around and sell it for a profit. Nor would I expect them to turn around and sell an item I sold to them at less than market value to help them out. Friends don't do that to one another.

That is a distinction that some don't make.

Using free market and capitalism to justify taking advantage of a friend's generosity is immoral. If you don't consider the members of this site to be like friends and family then it is simply a business transaction.

I really like Springfield's take on this.

[BrassMagnet]

Your upset because you didn't get the deal.
Deals are made every day on here.
I know of several 'flippers' as you call it but the bottom line is they were first. Not any different than someone else getting it before you.

What i don't like on this board is the fact that after something is sold they delete the lasting or allow the seller to edit the price out.
Makes it hard to determine the current market price for a item by looking at what the items sold for in the past.

I have purchased a number of items in the Swapping & Selling forum where the thread was deleted before I was able to print it out. A printed out copy of the thread is the best idea I have come up with to quickly and easily let the seller know what item the check or USPS MO is paying for. I can print it out and stamp it with my address stamp and drop it in the mail.

Let's keep this forum friendly and quit the public whining about being too slow to snatch up a great deal. If you have to publicly "whine" post a "That was fast! Two minutes!" or what ever. Or just send a PM to the buyer.

[BrassMagnet]

For all the flipper defenders. I have a few items that I have long considered posting on a pay it forward basis but I am sure a flipper would swoop in and pick it off and then resell it somewhere.
Defend them if you want but you can see many of the same guys that probably have their smart phones set to ding them when a new item is posted to they can hit it first. Not only do you see them here but the same guys are on 4 or 5 other sites too.

This is what the Helping Hands forum is for. Let the members that want it either PM or email you. Browse their posts and make your own choice about who gets the item.

[BrassMagnet]

Now I am going to make a few last comments before I leave this thread and never return to it.

I have bought many items from Denver Duck and he has treated me very well. He has sold me items I want at very fair prices. He has given me quantity discounts. He has even held items I wanted while I waited for more income to arrive in my checking account. I have never been less than totally satisfied with Denver Duck deals. Denver Duck is a Straight Shooter of the highest caliber.
I dislike whiners who question the integrity of other, better men.

[starmac]

Personally, I would rather deal with a flipper than a whiner any day of the week, whether I am buying or selling.

[Old Caster]

What if someone would list something here for sale at a very high price and say that the only reason the price was so high is because they desperately needed money. Which one of the "great friends" on this site would buy it first before someone else had the chance.

A lot has been said recently about the ridiculously high prices that Cheaper than Dirt is charging for their products. Simple, I won't buy from them until their prices are less than I can find anywhere else and then I will buy and if they are never cheaper then I will never buy from them. No one makes you buy or sell a certain way unless you have a socialistic or communistic culture or government and it is clear to me that we are heading there in a hurry. One would think that a gun site would be loaded with very conservative people but it is clear that it isn't. I would be afraid to guess how many people here voted for the party that pushes the very socialistic ideas that we ought to despise.

[LC Press]

What if someone would list something here for sale at a very high price and say that the only reason the price was so high is because they desperately needed money. Which one of the "great friends" on this site would buy it first before someone else had the chance.

A lot has been said recently about the ridiculously high prices that Cheaper than Dirt is charging for their products. Simple, I won't buy from them until their prices are less than I can find anywhere else and then I will buy and if they are never cheaper then I will never buy from them. No one makes you buy or sell a certain way unless you have a socialistic or communistic culture or government and it is clear to me that we are heading there in a hurry. One would think that a gun site would be loaded with very conservative people but it is clear that it isn't. I would be afraid to guess how many people here voted for the party that pushes the very socialistic ideas that we ought to despise.

The structure of a government financial system is much different than a small group mindset.

I am more Conservative in its real form than anyone on this site I would wager. But I still wouldn't flip a "deal" that was offered here.

Some saying they are conservative are probably more of the Anarchist mind set. I guess the grouchy, old men at the gun shows have found out how to use the interwebz...

I had a Lee Classic Turret kit to put up here but I may as well go to EBay with it...

[alrighty]

If anyone wishes to now take their items to eBay , do what you wish as it is yours.I do so hope that the ones doing this will put back a little of the profit and think about donating to the site.That is exactly what DenverDuck used to do with his.Congratulations to all the whiners , you have succeeded.
I received a p.m. from DenverDuck and he will not be renewing his site sponsor status.That IIRC was $1000.00/year that Ken will no longer have to keep this forum operational. I hope he don't mind but here is a copy of his p.m. to me including the one he sent to the site owner.
Just wanted to say thanks to some of you for all the purchases. I sent the following note to Ken yesterday...... Best of regards... Paul
"Please do not renew my status as a vendor. If you recall, I wanted to do the right thing and pay you as a vendor because I buy and sell reloading gear on a part time basis. It just didn't seem right to do that without compensating you.

I am sure you have seen the thread going on in the reloading section about me buying the Dillon 1050 press at the seller's asking price and reselling it because I knew it was undervalued.

I know you have a successful site here and have many vendors and advertisers so I know I will not affect you much by leaving as a vendor/buyer/seller.

Paul"
I do hope he changes his mind and I am sure that our forum could use the funds that now seem lost.I also hope that the ones using the "we are friends and family" will put their money where their mouth is and donate like many of us do that honestly feel that way.

[TES]

Um...Bye.

[Old Caster]

I have never dealt with Paul but it is just because I never needed what he happened to offer or at least that I was aware of. Paul, as you probably know, whiny liberals that have just one conservative aspect, (guns) always shove their way to the front like they do in all aspects of life. The silent majority that just sits back and watches are always very conservative . Liberals always know what is best for everyone which is why they always want to make another rule to hold conservatives (entrepreneurs) back, basically because they are jealous of their success (rich guys in their mind). I hope you continue to do what you do and don't worry about the few knuckleheaded posts you see here and be your own man. This isn't the first time someone tried to stifle you and it won't be the last. Prices are always set from supply and demand. You remember the phrase that went something like "grouchy old white men clutching their guns". Well surprise, surprise, there are quite a few black and asian people that are conservative and like guns also LC, and as far as computers go I bought my first one in kit form and had to put it together in 1979 which is probably before you were born. Spin your liberal ideas while claiming you are a conservative somewhere else. Real conservatives will prevail in America where real Americans live. -- Bill Lau --

[hardcase54]

Agree with Oldcaster 100%

LCPress, you FLIP $12 .22's (ignore list #1)

TES UM... Bye...(ignore list #2 wish you could be first but that spot is taken)

I'm just a Grouchy old guy( tired of whiners.)

[MBTcustom]

Unbelievable.
I don't put people on my ignore list. It is empty. However, there are a few special members that make it onto my "watch very closely" list.

[TES]

I love it the guys that start spouting off "free market and capitalism" are now the whiners. Yes free market and supply and demand are components for his trade but so are the peoples opinion of him. The free market has decided that this guy is not up to par and so he decided to leave. That was his decision too. Now "the free market" is not OK? Make up your minds you're the one flip flopping and sounding a bit Liberal. Ignore me.....I could care less.

Old caster : No rules were mentioned that would stop a guy from selling or trading here. Just to prevent folks from coming here to flip a product else were. The fact that this guy bought it here and listed it somewhere else is shady.

Why didn't he turn around and try and resell it here? Because he din't want people to know.

Why is he leaving? Because he does not feel welcome here. OK go.

It's just like the old freedom of speech argument. Go ahead and say what you want but don't get your panties in a twist if people get mad at you and don't want to support you anymore.

[JesterGrin_1]

If the People that the Shoe Fits then they are free to take there Ball and Leave. This Forum has a Strong Foundation and with the help of some will remain that way.

[Alvarez Kelly]

I have gotten many good deals from Paul over the years. I think he got a bum rap here.

[R.Ph. 380]

Some of the worst fights and most heated arguments I have ever seen happen between "family" members. That's because everyone has their own ideas of what is "right" and "fair". If someone's actions don't match what you think, why, you become all incensed and just have to register your opinion. Remember what opinions are like and how much they are worth. If someone buys within the rules the item is THEIRS to do with what they like.

If everyone here wants to have a freebee section where only those who "NEED" something get to bid, you're going to have to build a larger bureaucracy than the Feds and even then there is going to be errors. How about just letting the free market work and go about our own business?

Bill