owww man this stuff is stinking up the house the wife is going to be pissed heheheheheh
owww man this stuff is stinking up the house the wife is going to be pissed heheheheheh
Who ever appeals to the law against his fellow man is ether a fool or a coward.
whoever can not take care of himself with out that law is both
for a wounded man will say to his assailant if i die you are forgiven if i live i will kill you such is the rule of honor!!
Who ever appeals to the law against his fellow man is ether a fool or a coward.
whoever can not take care of himself with out that law is both
for a wounded man will say to his assailant if i die you are forgiven if i live i will kill you such is the rule of honor!!
Net_Ranger101
Additional beeswax will allow you the hardness you desire.
This is one of the beauties of this lube. By applying the " equation "below, you'll have little or no impact on the lube's performance in a barrel with your cast bullets, but you will change the hardness of the lube at room temperature.
More Red and tacky = softer lube.
More Beeswax = harder lube.
By the way, don't know how much you're read regarding the making of Ben's Red , but MANY of us have begged people not to attempt to make Ben's Red indoors.
Ben
Last edited by Ben; 12-31-2012 at 10:05 AM.
you could make it indoors just as long as you have good ventilation box fan and all the windows open
after the lube set up i couldn't smell it anyway ( not sure if i killed my scene of smell hehe)
its not that bad Ive delt with much worse
Who ever appeals to the law against his fellow man is ether a fool or a coward.
whoever can not take care of himself with out that law is both
for a wounded man will say to his assailant if i die you are forgiven if i live i will kill you such is the rule of honor!!
Make sure you give it a full day before you decide if it is to hard or not. Many times you can misjudge a lubes softness by judging prematurely.
I'm assuming that would be to allow the lube to get to room temps
i let it sit out last night and this morning it seemed two soft
( I get 110 deg. summer and very mild wint)
na its just lube its not rocket science.
will have to wait tell mon. anyway the beekeeper in town is closed on Sunday
Who ever appeals to the law against his fellow man is ether a fool or a coward.
whoever can not take care of himself with out that law is both
for a wounded man will say to his assailant if i die you are forgiven if i live i will kill you such is the rule of honor!!
Got some new mixing data for y'all today. Made my first batch.
I used gwpercle's recipe for using an entire tube of grease - except I went by weight on the grease, beeswax, and JPW, and by volume on the liquid STP and ATF:
24 oz beeswax
14 oz Lucas RT
4.6 oz JPW
5 1/3 tablespoons STP
5 1/3 tablespoons ATF
For the transmission fluid, I used Penzoil High Mileage, which claims to meet the GM Dexron III specs.
Threw it all into a 3-quart saucepan with a lid on top initially to keep the heat in, and set my hotplate to the #1 (out of 5) setting. Stirred occasionally with a spatula, a standard whisk, and another whisk with the rounded ends of the wires cut off to leave ends better for breaking up the anticipated lumps. Ran with a candy thermometer to see the point at which things came together.
Well, I'm now puzzled as to what all the fuss has been about, because all the ingredients were completely homogeneous within 45 minutes to an hour at around 180 F with no lumps, blobs, unmixed puddles, need to strain anything through a filter, or noxious clouds of smoke. I let the temperature get up to about 220 F, but figured whatever was going to happen already had, and shut the burner down.
I let a bit of it harden up on the silicone spatula. It developed a nice sheen that easily takes your fingerprint. It acts in that not-quite-ice-cream way of JPW when you try to scrape it with a fingernail or spoon - only way I know to describe it. Seems like a good consistency for a non-heated lubrisizer product.
This stuff turned out more salmon or uncooked hamburger then red - a function of the beeswax or Penzoil ATF, I'm guessing. Eager to see how it works - I filled up the five 5" PVC molds that I made in anticipation of this event, and probably have enough lube to fill them all up at least twice more. Hopefully, I'm set for a while.
WWJMBD?
In the Land of Oz, we cast with wheel weight and 2% Tin, Man.
Fine.....now head to the range and report back after you've
" given it a test drive " .
Ben
Last edited by Ben; 10-21-2012 at 09:04 PM.
Do you summer off all of the solvents from the Johnson's paste wax, or leave them in?
Sent from a cold damp basement near you.
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I don't make any attempt to cook off the solvents.
Ben
I made a batch today and it looks great. I melted the bees wax, then added the R&T using a whisk to break it up and incorporate the two, then the JPW whisked in, followed by Dexron and STP. I followed the formula exactly and am very happy with what I see. I then made a mould to form hollow sticks for the lubesizer and will remelt and pour into the moulds tomorrow if the wife doesn't find too much honeydo. Thanks Ben!
Thanks for making me feel like an idiot Ben. I watched your video filling the lubersizers. All these years I've been using a funnel.
Originally Posted by Theodore Roosevelt
fatnhappy ,
My apologies,............ it certainly was not my intentions.
Best,
Ben
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DLCTEX ,
Glad that Ben's Red is working well for you.
Ben
Ben,
What made you decided to incorporate JPW into the formula?
MJ
I had read that some people used JPW at low velocity on .38 Wadcutters .
It didn't lead.
I had also read that JPW had carnuba wax in the mix, few would argue that carnuba wax isn't good in a lube.
I thought.....UUmmmmm, just maybe that needs to be included also ?
I'll admit that Ben's Red is a " Witches Brew", but it works !
Ben
Ben,
So how does Ben's Red work without the JPW? It seems from your load data, that most (if not all) the targets you've posted over time were shot using ammo generating < 1800 fps. Have you shot Ben's Red at over 2000 fps?
Actually, I'm one of those who's not convinced Carnauba is an indispensable lube ingredient.
MJ
MJ
I've never made Ben's Red without the JPW. I guess I'm from the school " If it isn't broke, don't be trying to fix it."
As to shooting > 2,000 fps, I've done limited testing in that zone with Ben's Red & the lube did just fine. Others here have more experience in that speed zone than I do. Maybe some of them will contribute their findings here also.
As far as Carnauba being indispensable , I can't say ? For the applications I use Ben's Red in, I have no evidence that it harms anything.
Thanks,
Ben
Ben,
Do you, or anyone else for that matter, know the approximate amount of carnauba wax in Ben's Red? I believe that CW is a help in high temperatures even though it may leave a residue in the bore. According to 357maximum, I and others here live next to the gates of hell (Texas).
The IMPORTANT thing is that it WORKS!
Best regards,
Tony
Last edited by tonyjones; 12-11-2012 at 12:19 PM. Reason: spelling
I have no remote idea of how much CW is in Ben's Red .
I have my doubts that anyone else could " guesstimate " it either.
Ben
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