I'll admit to being a lousy marksman. This is 13 grains of Red Dot pushing Lee's TLC312-160-2R. the bullets were .313, and dropped out of the mold at 165 gr. With a gas check it was a 170 gr boolit. Shot prone unsupported at a "paced off" 50 meters. Alloy is range scrap and ww. The boolits were water dropped. Brass was PPU.