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Thread: You Probably Know All About This Method !

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    You Probably Know All About This Method !

    I am fairly new to Paper Patching.

    Been cutting strips (of the desired paper) and then cutting each patch from the strip.
    Gets tiresome at best.

    I read somewhere on a forum that some guy prints out patterns on his bubble
    jet printer - Walla ! Neat idea. I got one ! It even makes copies !

    So here is what I am trying....

    I drew up a "Master Sheet" of my Paper Patches to the appropriate dimensions.
    .................30° Angle 6.9 cm x 2.4 cm
    I even saved the scan to a jpg file (200 dots/inch)


    I cut my Paper Patch Paper to 8 1/2 x 11 inches (standard size for printers).
    I placed the Master in the Printer and the Paper Patch Paper in the input tray.
    Then I pressed the 'COPY' button !


    Out came my copy and off to the "El Cheapo Ritzo" paper cutter.


    Hey - this is nice and saves time like crazy....finish the diagonals with a scissors.



    Just make sure your Master Copy is appropriate for the type of paper and
    for the bullet.

    My printer is a Hewlett Packard hp psc 1315xi 'all-in-one' bubble jet printer.

    Now....I have PhotoShop Light and can make up a drawing and save it as a jpg file
    and then do a printout onto whatever paper I size to 8 1/2 x 11 inches for the
    printer to deal with.

    This latter thing takes some thought as to dots per inch and such.

    But it would be nice since it is just printing an image as many times as you set
    it to print. Just feed the appropriate paper into the input tray.

    Newsprint, Tracing Paper, Onionskin, anything the printer will print on without
    jamming the input feed.

    DoctorBill
    Last edited by DoctorBill; 12-04-2011 at 01:05 AM.
    I would just like to ask -
    WHOM does our Current Government represent, anyway ? !


    It sure as Heck doesn't represent ME ! How about you ?
    Seems to be just a Big Mafia run by the current set of criminals in office.
    Have we EVER been this close to losing our Country ? !

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    Some will be wantin' patches of coffee filters with load data thereon, others a bit of Victorian Shooting wallpaper design printed on the paper above the case mouth, or maybe NASA short range trajectory graphs, , yet others sort of just whining in the background for a place for the printed patched boolit QA stamp of approval to be initialed off. What about the Flat Earthers and O. G. A. N. T.s?

    OH ! Where will man's evil genius end?

    BvT.
    Every lawbreaker we allow into our nation, or tolerate in our citizen population leads to the further escalation of law breaking of all kinds and acceptance of evil.
    Since almost all aspects of our cultural existence are LIBERAL in most states, this means that the nation is on a trajectory to dissolution by the burden of toleration and acceptance of LAWBREAKING as a norm, a trajectory back to the dark ages of history.

    BvT

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    I guess you could do colored ink and put pictures on your patches.

    A prayer for 'guidance' to the target ?

    O G A N T S ?????

    The answer to the last sentence in your SIGNATURE is....
    because all those nice things are The Liberal Establishment, The Press and
    are our Elected Officials.
    Why do the latter make themselves immune to many of the Laws that apply to us ?
    Last edited by DoctorBill; 12-03-2011 at 07:50 PM.
    I would just like to ask -
    WHOM does our Current Government represent, anyway ? !


    It sure as Heck doesn't represent ME ! How about you ?
    Seems to be just a Big Mafia run by the current set of criminals in office.
    Have we EVER been this close to losing our Country ? !

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    OK, that just rocks! Now to see if the printer will feed and print on my paper.
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    Vis Sis Mis!

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    If you are going to print patches from a template, the template should be as precise as you can make it.

    I am certain the two patches with red arrows are not the same length.



    Are you making patches for two different applications?

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    Retired...TWICE. Now just raisin' cows and livin' on borrowed time.

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    What would Billy Dixon do?

    BvT
    Every lawbreaker we allow into our nation, or tolerate in our citizen population leads to the further escalation of law breaking of all kinds and acceptance of evil.
    Since almost all aspects of our cultural existence are LIBERAL in most states, this means that the nation is on a trajectory to dissolution by the burden of toleration and acceptance of LAWBREAKING as a norm, a trajectory back to the dark ages of history.

    BvT

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    Yes - CM....they are not the same length.

    I checked the cut ones and Damn ! Thanks for pointing that out !

    That's what you get for relying on a Protractor (30°) and not checking the
    line made from it.

    Good thing I'm not the navigator on The Red October !
    I'd like to say that the mistake was instructional (ha !) ....others should make sure the
    template is 'perfect' before continuing. Working with things going on around you
    doesn't help one pay close attention ! Decent drawing equipment would help, too !

    I will redraw the lines, check the angles AND the spacing and replace that bad
    photo on post number #1.

    Look back in a few hours - I'm constructing a Lube Cookie Cutter with a
    Push-Out punch from unusable 577/450 Brass reforming project.
    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...0&postcount=79

    Edited in later - OK - Fixed.





    It works nicely - crude but effective....and real cheap to make.

    DoctorBill
    Last edited by DoctorBill; 12-04-2011 at 03:03 AM.
    I would just like to ask -
    WHOM does our Current Government represent, anyway ? !


    It sure as Heck doesn't represent ME ! How about you ?
    Seems to be just a Big Mafia run by the current set of criminals in office.
    Have we EVER been this close to losing our Country ? !

    I use Paint.net (Free Public Program) to label and edit Photos on this Forum.

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    And to think I often wondered what I would do with my old drafting 30-60-90 degree tri-angles left over from my drafting days!Robert

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    Man ! I wish I had some of that stuff !

    It is damned hard to draw all those lines and have all of
    them be where they are supposed to be !

    I used to have a CADD program back in the pre-Windows
    98 days, but won't work now.

    There are probably FreeWare CADD programs available on
    FreeWare and ShareWare web sites.
    But then you have to learn the program.
    Just for some paper patches.
    Phooey !

    DoctorBill
    I would just like to ask -
    WHOM does our Current Government represent, anyway ? !


    It sure as Heck doesn't represent ME ! How about you ?
    Seems to be just a Big Mafia run by the current set of criminals in office.
    Have we EVER been this close to losing our Country ? !

    I use Paint.net (Free Public Program) to label and edit Photos on this Forum.

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    If you get frustrated with the printed patches, you can consider this process ...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM23a_tbE-M
    ... as demonstrated by Brent Danielson.

    CM
    Last edited by montana_charlie; 12-04-2011 at 09:49 PM.
    Retired...TWICE. Now just raisin' cows and livin' on borrowed time.

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    No...cutting patches is not what is frustrating.

    I finally decided to break out the router and make a "Patching Board"
    according to Paul Matthews description on page 88 of his book,
    "The Paper Jacket".


    That bullet shown on:
    http://britishmilitariaforums.yuku.c...577-450?page=6

    Lord ! I wish I had done that a LONG TIME AGO !

    It works so nicely. Really helps doing the dry patching thing.
    My only frustration is getting that first little tip of the patch to
    continue under the bullet as you roll it.

    Here is my scheme for loading up some 577/450 Martini-Henry
    cases that I formed out of 24 Gauge Shotgun Brass from Magtech.



    I go slow - but I enjoy reloading.

    Kind of like the peace of sitting there quietly fishing w/o the world
    screaming at me to buy something or listening to Oprah Winfree
    or Doctor Phil or the latest garbage on 'who said what' about Politics.

    I do like to watch "Shooter" over and over again !
    He gets 'em all in the end.....

    I get a lot of assistance from my 'Helper'.....she follows me everywhere
    and has to check out everything I do. She likes to chew up my cardboard targets.



    Having a "Maine Coon" cat is one interesting experience ! About 2.5 years old.
    She'll get to about 20 lbs when she 'matures' - she is 10 lbs right now.

    DoctorBill
    Last edited by DoctorBill; 12-26-2011 at 12:32 PM.
    I would just like to ask -
    WHOM does our Current Government represent, anyway ? !


    It sure as Heck doesn't represent ME ! How about you ?
    Seems to be just a Big Mafia run by the current set of criminals in office.
    Have we EVER been this close to losing our Country ? !

    I use Paint.net (Free Public Program) to label and edit Photos on this Forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorBill View Post
    My only frustration is getting that first little tip of the patch to continue under the bullet as you roll it.
    When you wet one side of the paper, the grain causes the paper to curl away from the wet side.

    I cut my patches from strips that are taken from across the original sheets ... not lengthwise, like yours. That causes the grain of the paper to be running across the width of the final patch. With the grain running that direction, the patch wants to curl around the bullet if you wet the side away from the lead.

    So, to get that tip to stay against the bullet (when dry wrapping), I lick my thumb and lightly wipe it on the paper tip ... on the side away from the lead. That makes it want to curl onto the lead surface and remain there until it's captured by the paper as you complete the first wrap.

    CM
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    I cut lengthwise with the grain for the strength of the paper.

    I got a big diatribe from someone all about that, so I investigated the tear
    strength both ways and decided to go for strength.

    Been using a needle stuck in a Popsicle stick to hold the tip down onto the
    bullet. Works but is a PITA to do repeatedly.

    I can cut the paper the other way, but Newsprint is rather weak in that
    direction.

    I've been using NewsPrint paper - what you saw in the photo was tracing paper
    which I probably won't use any more. Has to do with Fire Forming one time only.

    Thanks for the information.

    I was going to try a spot of some sticky stuff just on the tip, but I also found
    that cutting the tip off seems to help.
    i.e. using a flat edge at the beginning.

    This paper patching is weird.

    One minute I can do seven or eight easily like some machine, the next several
    bullets, I can't get them right to save my life !

    Odd.

    Dry patching is an order of magnitude easier with that board !

    Just before I insert the patched bullet in the filled case, I roll it in that little
    tin of old left over Lube Cookie material - made softer with a bit of peanut oil.
    Then crimp and roll the tip in lube cookie wax again to make sure the paper
    is lubricated on the outside - and waterproofed.

    You never know, I might have to do some wet work in the rain.....lol.

    Love to go shoot some Martini and Trapdoor rounds, but it is colder than a Witch's
    ....fingers on Halloween out there...and I'm a wuss.

    DoctorBill


    $55 from IMA on e-Bay. Great shape - hideous weapon !
    Last edited by DoctorBill; 12-22-2011 at 07:11 PM.
    I would just like to ask -
    WHOM does our Current Government represent, anyway ? !


    It sure as Heck doesn't represent ME ! How about you ?
    Seems to be just a Big Mafia run by the current set of criminals in office.
    Have we EVER been this close to losing our Country ? !

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    Outstanding Post Doctor Bill! This is like the "Hints & Helps" section of a Betty Crocker cook book!

    Regards,
    Bill
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    Patching Board!

    Doctor Bill

    Ya ain't quite THERE YET! You really don't need a slot; matter of fact it's more a PITA than a helper!! Just a piece of smooth leather glued to the board! Keeps the paper and bullet from slipping!


    Patch Board by Sharps45 2 7/8, on Flickr
    "The South died with Stonewall Jackson!"

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    I will try that - I can put the leather over to the left of the lines I drew
    to align the paper. Then I'll have both methods available.

    I liked the slot because as you roll the bullet, the slot edges drag on the paper
    and make it tight - as tight as you push down while rolling.

    I never rolled a cigarette on one of those 'cigarette rolling machines", but that whole process intrigues me.
    Some swear by it....just keep away from the cigarettes !

    Watched "Quigley Down Under" again last night.

    I wish Selleck would do another Quigley - but then the producers would want it all
    sexed up and full of "Super" and "Astounding" computer graphics and a script
    that would offend no one.

    DoctorBill
    Last edited by DoctorBill; 12-23-2011 at 01:51 PM.
    I would just like to ask -
    WHOM does our Current Government represent, anyway ? !


    It sure as Heck doesn't represent ME ! How about you ?
    Seems to be just a Big Mafia run by the current set of criminals in office.
    Have we EVER been this close to losing our Country ? !

    I use Paint.net (Free Public Program) to label and edit Photos on this Forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorBill View Post
    I wish Selleck would do another Quigley - .
    Yeah ... kinda like Crocodile Dundee!
    Quigley and his girl are walking down the street in San Francisco when an armed mugger jumps out of the shadows.
    Crazy Kate says, "Look out! He's got a rifle!"

    Quigley reaches behind his back, pulls out the Sharps, and says, "Naw. Now THERE"S a rifle ...!"
    Retired...TWICE. Now just raisin' cows and livin' on borrowed time.

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    OK Mr. Mulhern....how is this ?



    Found an old leather purse in a thrift shop and took it apart.

    Glued (carefully!) the smooth side up with contact cement.

    Now I can do wood, leather, or leather with wood slot....

    Much fun trying all of them !

    DoctorBill
    I would just like to ask -
    WHOM does our Current Government represent, anyway ? !


    It sure as Heck doesn't represent ME ! How about you ?
    Seems to be just a Big Mafia run by the current set of criminals in office.
    Have we EVER been this close to losing our Country ? !

    I use Paint.net (Free Public Program) to label and edit Photos on this Forum.

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    Should work! Now use distilled water to wet patch with!!
    "The South died with Stonewall Jackson!"

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    Is that to keep the leather clean ?

    So wetting the paper with India Pale Ale or a nice dark Porter
    would make the leather get smelly ?



    Perhaps some Neatsfoot Oil on the leather beforehand....?

    To each his own.

    DoctorBill
    I would just like to ask -
    WHOM does our Current Government represent, anyway ? !


    It sure as Heck doesn't represent ME ! How about you ?
    Seems to be just a Big Mafia run by the current set of criminals in office.
    Have we EVER been this close to losing our Country ? !

    I use Paint.net (Free Public Program) to label and edit Photos on this Forum.

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