Australia - Guns Are Back, shooting sports on the up

[Ausglock]

G'day Pat.
Mate i'm the same. Before the buyback I have 3 rifles and 1 shottie.
Now there are 7 rifles 1 shottie and 7 handguns.

John Howard is still a slimy little mongrel and always will be.

[Shiloh]

Fabulous news!! Good on you!!

Shiloh

[3006guns]

I honestly didn't think I'd ever see it happen...wow. It's also funny that your anti gun groups caused this due to faulty tactics. A bit "short sighted" so to speak, but whatever the reason it's sure a change from the "dark days" several years ago. Congratulations and keep pushing!

[Ugluk]

Congratulations, you've become rolemodels.

I can't imagine living unarmed in a country where every creepy critter is poisonus except the wombat wich is a harda$$ in its own right..

Cheers!

[onesonek]

Good luck to all you Aussie's!

There's probably a good reason why the anti-gun lobby in America has lost ground - crime has shifted its emphasis to cyber-crime. Guns just don't pose a threat to cyber-criminals so they don't fund anti-gun so much any-more.

That and,,,more and more people are waking up, seeing the facts for what they are, rather than listening to BS propaganda. There still are those that insist on disarming the public, and they do have some political backing,,,,just in most recent times, they (politicians) realize it's a toxic position for most of them. Although, had the situation had been other than what it has, BO would have gone after guns when Pelosi controlled the House, at least in some fashion. They were hell bent on their agenda, just guns were not top on the list this time. But I do agree, that with the general public opinion, the pendelum has swung back with 2nd Amendment. Hopefully it spreads!!!!!

[MtGun44]

Pat,

If I calculated correctly, 45C is 113F which is pretty hot. We rarely go over 105-108F here,
but we have put up metal roofs over all our shooting lines so we can shoot in the shade
in the middle of the day. Not cheap, but something to think about.

Good luck, guys.

By the way what is the 'slow food and ethical food' stuff all about that someone mentioned?

Bill

[PAT303]

Bill,the heat is at times something that you really have to experience to know what it's like.Last Xmas was spent inside as it hit 43 at lunch,the hottest day last year was 48C.This Xmas I'm going to fry an egg on my Land Rovers bonnet as a joke. Pat

[no34570]

G'day Pat.
Mate i'm the same. Before the buyback I have 3 rifles and 1 shottie.
Now there are 7 rifles 1 shottie and 7 handguns.

John Howard is still a slimy little mongrel and always will be.

Yep,you can take that to the bank,Johnny Coward,when he came to Sale,in Victoria to try and appease us hunters,wearing a bloody bulletproof vest under his suit,don't he know,we would go for a head shot..nah,waste of a good bullet!

At the buyback,I owned 3 centrefire rifles,now I have 14

[Bigjohn]

After the first buyback I added to the number of longarms I had and after the second buyback I added to the number of handgins I had. Now wen I apply to buy any more they tell me I have too many???????

Yes, it all seems to have backfired, I have signed up two shooters for my club in the last 18 months.

[sgtbear]

Enemies, foreign and domestic. We share China as the potential "foreign" and we have the domestic type enemy in our media and the politicians who lie about most things, practice junk science, and have the balls to exempt themselves from what they stick up our butts, and feel so good about themselves they vote themselves a pay raise.

They go about wrecking our currency, ignoring or the directed lie about Chinese sub launched missles fired off our coastline, lying about buying weapons for drug cartels, a UN treaty to disam us, and doing end runs around the due process of our constitution, and they lie about that too.

V.I.Lenin was quoted in 1923:"a lie told often becomes truth."

[paul edward]

I am happy to hear about the resurgence of good sense in Australia.

Keep up the good work.

[Crawdaddy]

Good news from down under. Keep fighting.

[W.R.Buchanan]

When I read things like the quote by this Carla Meurk or whatever her name is. I always try to understand what they are trying to say.

I read that quote several times, and the Queens English not withstanding, I have no idea what she was trying to say. The funny thing about the liberal academic mind is that they seldom know what they are trying to say anyway.

When ever I hear someone talking this kind of gobbledegook I immediately label them as FOOL.

Here's the deal guys,,,, I don't care how many degreees you have, and how smart you are supposed to be,,, If you can't communicate in plain english you are basically an idiot!

I don't listen to idiots.

I do hope you Aussies regain your gun rights. I would look very carefully at those who voted that ban in place and make sure they don't vote for anything again.

You really need an NRA type of organization to protect your rights over there. "The ARA",,, Austrailian Rifle Association! Here, here! A good place to start would be a manditory membership accompanying any gun purchase. But not Govt sponsored,, Association sponsored. You guys should start talking this up locally and spread it around on the internet!

I personally feel our gun manufacturers here in the US should be selling a membership to the NRA with every gun sold. We have better than 100,000,000 gun owners but only about 5 million? in the NRA..

I don't feel you should be allowed to excercise your right to own a gun without taking responsibility for the maintainence of the right that allows you to do so. You're either part of the group or you are not in.

Can you imagine how much clout the NRA would have with 100 Million members? a little less than 35% of the population. Gun Control would be dead forever, and we'd be free forever.

Randy

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

you need women , yes thats right women who like to shoot and hunt
they are worth their weight in gold politically , get all your daughters shooting , get them to own guns enjoy the sport and stand up for it.

did i mention , the author of Wisconsin's concealed carry legislation is a woman or that every woman in the state assembly voted for concealed carry , several of which represent the most liberal districts, one represents down town millwakee the a#1 most demicarat voting district in wisconsin and Milwaukee county the most ani gun place in Wisconsin it also has the highest rate of murders and violent crime (they tried it the anti way now they were ready for a change) and that when asked she said she had talked to her constituents and this is what they wanted.

ask yourself could you tell a woman who just wants to protect herself and her kids , who has the training and a spotless record , that she shouldn't be able to carry a gun , pepper spray , or a tazer . I sure couldn't i would probably offer to take her to the range for practice.

even my no good worthless state senator who voted against it , when i called to ask his office to support it his staffer and i had a nice conversation , she was excited about it passing even though her boss wasn't likely to vote for it. she wanted to be able to carry a tazer.

put your money and time were your mouth is , you might say , i have 2 daughters both shoot , i am also a youth shooting sports instructor and almost half my shooters are girls , and the girls make up some of the best shots in the club.

[Southron Sanders]

Here in the U.S. most states now have "Concealed Carry" laws on the books. This means that any law abiding citizen who applies for a Concealed Carry permit is issued one-the police have no say so.

Criminals prefer unarmed victims and now, they can't tell who is carrying a gun and who isn't. This is a good reason crime rates have dropped.

Also, "Castle Laws" have been passed by many state legislatures. This is based on the old English Common Law concept that a "Man's Home is his Castle." If a criminal breaks into a person's home and that criminal ends up wounded or dead, the homeowner CANNOT BE CHARGED WITH A CRIME FOR DEFENDING HIS HOME.

Of course, this has caused burglaries and "Home Invasions" to drop dramatically.

Like the old saying: "If you are attacked by a criminal, the cops can be there in 5 minutes but the bullet from your .357 Magnum can be heading for the criminal at 1,200 FPS instantly!"

[Oreo]

Castle doctrine laws are important beyond just protecting a home owner from criminal prosecution. It is also important to protect against civil suits. Its common enough that after breaking in to someone's home & being shot the criminal (or their surviving family) will sue the home owner for defending themselves! Even if the home owner wins the suit, which isnt always certain, they can be bankrupted by the legal expenses. Proper castle doctrine laws provide protection against both criminal and civil charges. As always, the devil is in the details so know your local laws well.

[MtGun44]

I have no idea of the laws in Australia, but in England it is essentially illegal to defend
yourself "too vigorously". As I understand it, you can apparently get away with using
the same or lesser weaponry in self defense. If attacked by a guy with a bat, you could
not use a gun or knife for defense, but apparently a bat of your own would be OK.

Of course, I may have it all wrong, but this is what I have read.

Pretty crazy that defending yourself is a problem if you hurt the criminal.

What is the self-defense situation in "The other OZ"?

Bill

[PAT303]

Bill,our law states that a person can defend themselves but as in the UK excessive force cannot be used unless your life is in danger.Like many laws it is open to interpretation and for me if my family is put in danger from a gun or scewdriver the threat is still the same.As far as buying firearms I put a deposit on a nice,little used S&W 586 357 last weekend. pat

[Moonman]

Get Political, defeat the Anti's. The subject of getting women involved is spot on target. Women really have a voice and a determination when they become involved in a subject. I like the idea of the NRA Membership sales by gun shops with a new firearms purchase, and maybe the NRA could assist other organizations (or countries) with "ORGANIZING AMBASSADORS" or sponsor people to come to the U.S. to learn the BEST METHODS to faceoff with the Anti's and to establish shooting safety programs, clubs, competitions, etc.

[MtGun44]

Pat,

I have a 586 +1 (7 shooter) in 6" that is a really good gun. Just right in every way,
smooth, well made. I hope yours is as nice. If it is, you'll be please with it.

Glad to hear you can defend yourself in Oz. I sincerely hope to never need to do it, but
am willing if necessary.

I want to see if somebody can actually cook an egg on the bonnet. I tend to doubt it
would work, but it would be interesting to try.

Bill