Congresswoman Giffords shot in Ariz

[montana_charlie]

Call me paranoid, but...

These shooting incidents seem to happen with an almost artificial regularity. This guy was clearly 'confused'...and quite visible about it.
He is one of many that exist 'out there'.

I sometimes find myself wondering if the anti-gun crowd doesn't keep a few of these nuts on a string all the time...and 'turn one loose' with some extra nudging when things have been quiet for too long.

Since this one didn't commit suicide immediately affter the shooting, perhaps we can learn something from him...about the 50 year-old guy that Sheriff Dupnik is looking for.

CM

[NuJudge]

Quite honestly? Aside from the nine-year-old who was killed, I could give a damn less one way or the other.

I will include you in my prayers.

CDD

[jcwit]

I agree NuJudge.

I believe some here need to step back and take a deep breath.

[Moonie]

None of the victims deserve what has happened to them in this case regardless of their political views. Remember they are victims, all of these victims will be in my prayers.h

[shdwlkr]

Bottom line here is that when our political representatives can't go and speak to the people who elected them without fear of being shot and maybe killed then America has sunk to a new low.
I don't care her party, I do care the stress her family and friends are going through right now and the sad feelings for all those who died and were wounded by this shooter.
I do care that no one was there to protect a person who is part of our national government so this event did not happen.
I do care that the media will put a spin on it that has nothing to do with the truth.
I do care that we as a nation have sunk to such a low that we seek to point blame ahead of worrying about those that have been harmed.

[starmac]

I care quite a bit several people died and more wounded. I do not belive anyone of their lives are worth more than the one beside them, unless it was the little girl, hers was cut very short. All gun owners, shooters and even non gun owners will likely be affected and lose some rights and protection because of a very deranged person.
I do find it strange that in a very gun friendly state that he was not at the very least wounded by someone in the crowd. I wouldn't expect anyone to have been quick enough to have stopped him before most of the damage was done, as it was probably done in a matter of seconds, but am very suprized that he wasn't shot, by an onlooker.
I am also suprized that there wasn't at least a deputy there, most highschool ballgames even have an officer present, maybe they were all out watching for seatbelt vialators.

[shdwlkr]

starmac
I wonder what firearm owners will pay for this stupid event also and try and hope calmer heads will prevail in the end.
From what I watched last night it was not uncommon for her to do this kind of thing and sometimes several times in a weekend. I would think with all the threats and other stuff that she had been dealing with I would have wanted some kind of security if not for myself my constituents safety.
I want to see her recover and go back to Washington DC and do some more good for all of us.

[shooterg]

I'm sorry for all, but the Arizona rancher that was killed by illegals a while back is just as important a life, but the press doesn't concentrate on guys like him. I see some of the other Reps are already talking about how they can increase THEIR security, while not giving a rats behind about us common folk, whose best defence is a gun in hand. The 9 year old just tears me up. Not only will they use this to forward gun control, they'll try to use it as an excuse to control the internet, so all us poor ignorant folks with guns and Bibles can't be steered into domestic terrorism !

[wills]

Left wing Daily Kos targets Giffords and others.
http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/...3-05-33-pm.png

[waksupi]

Call me paranoid, but...



Since this one didn't commit suicide immediately affter the shooting, perhaps we can learn something from him...about the 50 year-old guy that Sheriff Dupnik is looking for.

CM

It turned out the other guy was a cab driver. He had driven the shooter to the store, and the guy stiffed him on the pay. He went to collect his money, but was not involved.

[Charlie Two Tracks]

I don't know how well this fits in here but.......... Quite a few years ago, my neighbor had a foreign exchange student stay for the holidays. One night, I went over and was talking to him. I asked him straight up, why they didn't revolt against their government and free themselves. I explained to him how myself and millions of others had sacrificed for the freedom we enjoy. He looked at me and said that it was illegal to have anything sharper or longer than a butter knife. Too many people scared and ready to rat you out and very poor communication. I understood what he said but still thought they should try.......
We must not let our weapons go no matter what. I hate seeing these shootings happen but if the guns are gone, the knives come out and then they will go after them. IMO

[Bigjohn]

Even here in Australia, we are on the receiving end of the media with every so-called expert analyising all aspects.

Some of whom do not like the announcer interupting their diatribe to ask a question.

The receives all of the media attention and yet today, as I stood near a checkout counter in a shop; I observed a local drug dealer buy 300 deal bags. When I ask him how well they sold through his shop he informed me 1000's a month and he know what they were to be used for.

Where were the media............................................. .................

[MtGun44]

No new low here, Teddy Roosevelt, Lincoln, Garfield, and a lot of other politicians have
been shot over the years. Many by "anarchists", which this loon would probably fit in
with real well. Old tradition, nutball looks for someone to blame for his life being a total
disaster, "figures out" that it must be that somebody important is "keeping him down" (this
guy believed in mind control, it is reported) so they must "fix it".

Trying to stop this is like trying to stop lightning. Can't be done.

Bill

[Echo]

I care quite a bit several people died and more wounded. I do not belive anyone of their lives are worth more than the one beside them, unless it was the little girl, hers was cut very short. All gun owners, shooters and even non gun owners will likely be affected and lose some rights and protection because of a very deranged person.

Judge Roll was an outstanding jurist. His loss is MORE of a loss (to me) than the loss of GG to the congress. Of course the loss of the 9-year-old very special girl is terrible, as is the loss of the other 4.

I do find it strange that in a very gun friendly state that he was not at the very least wounded by someone in the crowd.

The folks gathering at her meeting are heavily-loaded with her leftist supporters, and so the likelihood of someone carrying was reduced. Conservatives have learned that asking her to intervene in support of conservative issues is a waste of breath, and so don't attend, to any degree. He WAS wrestled down within seconds, and there were heroic deeds within those very few seconds.]

I wouldn't expect anyone to have been quick enough to have stopped him before most of the damage was done, as it was probably done in a matter of seconds, but am very suprized that he wasn't shot, by an onlooker.

I am also suprized that there wasn't at least a deputy there, most highschool ballgames even have an officer present, maybe they were all out watching for seatbelt vialators.

The candidate did not request any security, and I don't believe she had any personal security with her.

[shooterg]

Have heard that one of the folks that assisted in holding him down had a CCW, but as the brave 61 year old lady and another man had already tackled the guy, he never presented his weapon. He did go TOWARD the sound of gunfire, shame he wasn't closer initially. I think someone already remarked that the crowd here would not be as likely as a "Tea Party" crowd to have numerous CCW's present. Already McCarthy from NY has introduced a proposed magazine limit ban .

[Green Frog]

Not a "right wing" nut, according to people he went to school with, actually a liberal lefty - which matters not as apparently from his insane ravings on the net, he's a schizo who probably shoulda been on drugs. Something just tipped his last sane brain cell off today. Sure, truly crazy people probably shouldn't have guns , but the progressive folk out there think anyone who wants a gun IS crazy.

Idiot on TV just said she was shot with a "low caliber" so she has a good chance of survival as opposed to being shot with a "high caliber" .

It was reported today that the Facebook page was a fraud, set up after the shooting. They spelled his name wrong, even! It has since been taken down.

As for the "low caliber" handgun, do you think they would admit that it was the same "effective" round being foisted off on our military and police so widely?

JMHO
Froggie

[pressonregardless]

Does anyone here on the board know anything about this?

The Cholla Jumps

by James Kelley

Jared Loughner is a product of Sheriff Dupnik’s office
This is the report that Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik has been dreading since the tragic event on Saturday January 8.

The sheriff has been editorializing and politicizing the event since he took the podium to report on the incident. His blaming of radio personalities and bloggers is a pre-emptive strike because Mr. Dupnik knows this tragedy lays at his feet and his office. Six people died on his watch and he could have prevented it. He needs to step up and start apologizing to the families of the victims instead of spinning this event to serve his own political agenda.

Jared Loughner, pronounced by the Sheriff as Lock-ner, saying it was the Polish pronunciation. Of course he meant Scott or Irish but that isn’t the point. The point is he and his office have had previous contact with the alleged assailant in the past and that is how he knows how to pronounce the name.

Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in Pima County including staff of Pima Community College, radio personalities and local bloggers. When Pima County Sheriff’s Office was informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County. Amy Loughner is a Natural Resource specialist for the Pima County Parks and Recreation. My sympathies and my heart goes out to her and the rest of Mr. Loughner’s family. This tragedy must be tearing them up inside wondering if they had done the right things in trying to manage Jared’s obvious mental instability.

Every victim of his threats previously must also be wondering if this tragedy could have been prevented if they had been more aggressive in pursuing charges against Mr. Loughner. Perhaps with a felony conviction he would never have been able to lawfully by the Glock 9mm Model 19 that he used to strike down the lives of six people and decimate 14 more.

This was not an act of politics. This was an act of a mentally disturbed young man hell bent on getting his 15 minutes of infamy. The Pima County Sheriff’s Department was aware of his violent nature and they failed to act appropriately. This tragedy leads right back to Sherriff Dupnik and all the spin in the world is not going to change that fact.


http://thechollajumps.wordpress.com/...upniks-office/

[MtGun44]

Sounds like a good explanation why Sheriff Dipstick got so instantly political and was looking
for somebody to blame.

Bill

[shooterg]

I can't help comparing the actions of those who tackled the shooter with those of the young students at Virginia Tech . Young folks are taught from elementary school on not to fight back nowadays , so they watched Cho change mags several times. The 61 year old lady that grabbed the magazine in Arizona comes from generation that understands things differently.

[Three-Fifty-Seven]

I first heard about this through an email from AZ-CDL (AZ Citizens Defensive League) which I'm a member of.

My first thought was for the complete recovery of the wounded, then concerned over the recently passed legislation SB1108 which we fought so hard for . . . which by the way states that we do not need a ccw to carry a gun as we see fit, providing we are legally allowed to own a gun (proper age, non-felon . . .) we do have ccw's here, but they are not required to carry concealed.

GG was my representative, what I mean to say is she won the district I live in, I did not vote for her, the last election was very close, she got in by less than 51% of the vote . . . she also voted for the health care plan . . . she was gun friendly.

Even though I did not vote for her, nor would I waste my time going to one of her gatherings . . . I do continue to pray for her rapid and complete recovery, same for the other victims.

This morning at the elementary school I work at, we held a special flag ceremony, where the whole school met around the flagpole to discuss this tragedy. We have a bunch of 9 year olds, it really made us stop and think . . .