a little help with identification

[.357]

I recently came into possession of these, pretty sure they are swaging dies, since they don't look like any reloading dies I have ever seen. Any help at all would be appreciated, the 308 adn 45 are obviously not complete but the .44 set up really confuses me. any help at all would again be greatly appreciated.

[15bobcat]

These are CH Swage-O-Matic dies and nose punches. The bolt and what looks like a reloading die thread into the top of the swaging press to hold the nose punches. They swage bullets using half jackets only because the lead bleed off is on the side, not the top.
-Harold

The nose punch holder is universal meaning it can be used with any nose punch. You have three complete die sets consisting of a die, ejector punch and a nose punch. Each pistol die set had 6 different nose punches available for separate purchase. They were: Round Nose, Spire Point, Semi-Wadcutter, Wadcutter, Cup Point, and Semi-Wadcutter Hollow Point. Rifle dies only had Round Nose, Spire Point, and Semi-Wadcutter.

[.357]

Okay I think i understand but i am confused if you will humor me, i understand the nose punch thing why is the top of the .44 nose punch top part so different then the .308 and the .45?

Thanks a bunch
.357

[15bobcat]

The bolt and washer is part of the nose punch holder. If you unscrew the bolt from the nose punch and put it thru the top of the nose punch holder, you will almost have a complete nose punch holder. The only thing missing is a floating spacer that slides on the bolt. Your nose punch will now look the same as the others except for diameter and possibly nose shape.

[15bobcat]

Don't know why I always do things the hard way. Go to the "CASTPICS" link at the bottom of the page. Go down the menu on the left side of that page and click on "Research and Data". Next click on "Swag-O-Matic Manual". It will explain it all, along with pictures.

[.357]

this is what i'm talking about, the left one (308) is different then the right one (44)

[.357]

Thanks!

[sundog]

PM Floodgate, he may be able to help.

[15bobcat]

Now I see what you mean. The first picture was at the wrong angle for me to catch it. That one was probably made by some one other than CH.

[.357]

thanks i appreciate your help a lot. I'm just trying to ID them. that way i can decide if I can find a press to use them with or if it's time to sell them.

[Bent Ramrod]

The top and center sets might also be Herter's dies for their "9-Ton"Bullet Swage Press. The bottom one is for sure for the C-H "Swage-O-Matic" press. They both used half-jackets and pure lead to make bullets

[.357]

Thanks, now to look for a press, any one got one for sale? any idea how much these dies are worth?

[DukeInFlorida]

I bought a Swage-O-Matic press with 357 SWC nose punch and the 357 press dies, for less than $100 a while back, on ebay. Haven't been able to find a good enough deal on "half jackets" to make that worth while. But, I have found that I can put some 147 grain cast 9mm bullets in the tooling, and bump the diameter up to 357 size, while at the same time re-forming the flat nose into a semi wad cutter.

There's more than one use for these things.

[.357]

Duke sounds like you got exactly what i was looking for. well i hate to say it but i think i'm off to ebay to look for presses and .357 dies.

[3ort3]

357 I have a 9 ton for sale complete with dies for 357and 44 (427) with jacketts if required please send me your address by pm
shrail2

[3ort3]

I have a 9 ton for sale complete with dies for 357and 44 (427) with jacketts if required please send me your address by pm
shrail2