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Thread: NOE 454424 in the .45 Auto Rim

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    Mike in co;
    >>>looks got to me in a modern firearm.<<<

    I presume that's just a typo and should read "looks GOOD to me in a modern firearm".

    If so, then we are in perfect agreement.

    I may or may not have mentioned - in a 625, this load has about the same felt recoil as a military .45 ACP load in a 1911. I would assume it's because of the greater weight of the revolver. At any rate, it should be an EXCELLENT load for Self defense as well as hunting. I believe it ranks up there with my .44 Special Skeeter loads in general all around use AND efficiency (Skeeter load is 7.5 grs of Unique behind a 250 gr Keith bullet sized .430"). It's funny how that works...

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    Dale,
    I have a 4" 625 and it really liked 9.5gr Blue Dot under a LBT 250WFN. My BD is probably about 10 years old. Have you tried BD?

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    excess650;
    I have never tried Blue Dot even tho' it looks to be a very nice powder with heavy bullets in the .45 Auto Rim.

    When I started loading for this I was a wee lad and followed "Elmer's" directions. Since Unique worked so well I never looked further (don't generally fix what isn't broken). I guess you could tag me with the "old school" label although that would not be entirely accurate.

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    It's not the 454424 or even a boolit but I just read an old article about someone using a 300 grain bullet and Unique in the 45 ACP!!!
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    Magazine Article

    Hey Dale53,

    That magazine article about the 454424 you talked about- was that the one in the June 2009 issue of Handloader magazine?

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    HotLead;
    Yes, it is on page 76 "Understanding the 454424" by Roger Smith. It bears reading by anyone who casts bullets for handguns.

    Here is a picture of the NOE 454424 in Auto Rim cases:



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    Last edited by Dale53; 08-04-2010 at 10:24 AM.

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    Where do you guys get 45 AR cases and what Dillon shellplate do you use? 41 Magnum?
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    I just got another 500 from Starline ! I know Dale uses Starline as well.
    Order directly from them and get free shipping !

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    well, I am a little late with the answer, but 452423/7.5/Unique gives me 950 fps in a 4 " bbl Model 1955 and 1050 fps in the 6 inch version of the same.

    Everybody bear in mind that Keith designed the 452423 for the 45 Auto Rim round and the heavier 454424 for the bigger 45 Colt round.

    I have never used the heavier 454424 bullet in the 45 AR round and don't plan on doing that.

    Skeeter once cracked the cylinder on a good old Colt 1917 using the heavier 454424 over 7.5/Unique load.
    Disclaimer: The above is not holy writ. It is just my opinion based on my experience and knowledge. Your mileage may vary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hicard View Post
    Where do you guys get 45 AR cases and what Dillon shellplate do you use? 41 Magnum?
    As others have said, brass from Starline.

    The shellplate needed for the Dillon 550 is specific to the .45 AR and a .41 mag shell plate (shell plate # 6 and uses #1 pins) will not work. The 550 shellplate needed for the AR is an "H" shellplate and uses #4 pins.

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    I used a 45 Colt shellplate turned upside down to load a few hundred ARs for a buddy.
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    As Chargar pointed out the 454423 is a very good choice for .45Auto Rim !

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    To all;
    As GLL has suggested, I use Starline .45 Auto Rim (just recently took delivery of another 1000).

    Elmer Keith also used the 454424 in the .45 Auto Rim. In fact, in his own page in the Lyman Handbook of Cast Bullets (the Reader's Digest size with the white plastic binding) he shows the same powder charges for both the 454423 and the 454424 bullets.

    The "new" Unique is reputed to be a bit faster burning than the "old" Unique. I stop at 7.0 grs of Unique which gives me 900+ fps in my 5" 625 revolver.

    Naturally, all of the safety caveats apply regarding powder charges in your gun.

    By the way, the 1917 Smith and Colt revolvers had "tender" cylinders. They were not nearly so strong as the later (after 1950 S&W "N" frames). The later revolvers have heat treated cylinders.

    I have often voiced concern about using the heavy loads in the 1917 revolvers. Those old revolvers are too precious to chance damage when they should shoot forever with more modest charges.

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    Quick Load data

    Quote Originally Posted by mike in co View Post
    well when i throw in the new data, i can only go to 7.3 with std saami, but with 23k of plus p the 7.5 is only 18k at 960.....

    was pretty close the first time.


    looks good to me in a modern firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddixie884 View Post
    Thanx for the Quick Load data........
    Thank you for reviving this thread. It is good to read what loads others are using.

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