Paper Patch Pig Gun Project

[barrabruce]

Now if I lived in spoilt fancy pants New Zealand.
I think I'd wanna have one of these.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twbCk...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twbCk...eature=related

Or even A merri car.



I don't think PP would be good for it thou!!!!

[303Guy]

Thanks for the YouTube link Barra.

I thought the DeLisle Carbine was basically something you read about. Just this past week I've discovered it not only quite well known but still being manufactured!

The DeLilse Commando Carbine is currently licensed and made by Valkyriearmsdotcom.

Not to mention a few home conversions. (I'd do it in 44mag).

Well, my Pig Gun is going to look a little like one, only in 303 subsonic and maybe - depending on how well I can see and aim with open sights - with a scope (peep sights might work for me). I'll decide when the time comes on whether to go long eye-relief or standard rifle scope.

There are comments on YouTube about the range and effective range of the DeLisle - they mention 300m (it should be 250yds) but quite seriously, it's intended for serious bush hunting and rainy weather. And it's to be sub-sonic so 100yds is all I am asking for, the same as a 22LR sub-sonic. The bore is a tad less than mint so even that may be asking too much! (But if it works out, I have another rifle with a better bore on the way).

I don't think I would want to shoot paper patch bullets through a suppressor. They're bad enough through a muzzle brake.

Ah .... well .... I have a suppressor design that handles patch fragments and fillers and wads and it adds only 2 inches to the barrel length.

[Bullshop Junior]

Oh wow! A De Lisle carbine! I read somewhere that only a few hundred were made. That one - if it's an original - would be worth quite a bit. (I see it sold for US $720 - less than what I would have expected. Wasn't it wartime vintage?)

I am unable (so far) to find any history on my particular rifle. I'm still looking.

This one had barrel sights added, so it lost collector value. I would have liked to buy it!

[303Guy]

Uhmmmmm ...... Bullshop Junior, ...... about your avatar...... ?

Right, Lee Enfield models are a tad confusing! Take a look at my 'No.I' model stamps and share my confusion with me!



See the S.M.L.E. III* stamp? That's the No.I MkIII. Then there's the 1902 L E I - a No.I MkIII*. But then look at the 'Pig Gun' - that's the 1904 SHTLE I. Now, is that a No.I ? Can't be as it's a MkI and it's not a No.I MkI ! It's a predesessor to the SMLE which is a No.I MkIII ... ????? Many No.I MkI's were modified to MkIII's by adding a clip charger bridge and a loading cut-away. (See my confusion?

(The BSA Co. could be a Lee Metford MkI rebarreled - don't know. It's my future 375/38 Hawkins project).

The number system changed from Roman numerals to numbers at the No.4 (I've got two of those. The two-groove No.4 was supposed to have been my Pig Gun carbine but when it shot straight, I didn't have the heart to chop it up. It won;t work well with cast or paper patched as it turns out).

P.S. I have another rifle - a No.I MkI - coming soon!

[303Guy]

My Lee Enfield collection (minus the one that's still coming).



The 'new one' is supposed to have two butt-stocks.

[Bullshop Junior]

My Lee Enfield collection (minus the one that's still coming).



The 'new one' is supposed to have two butt-stocks.

Very Nice!

[Bullshop Junior]

Uhmmmmm ...... Bullshop Junior, ...... about your avatar...... ?

What about it?

[303Guy]

What about it?

Would that be the North American Goliath Squirrel? It looks a little larger than usual!

[Bullshop Junior]

Would that be the North American Goliath Squirrel? It looks a little larger than usual!

That or the guys that shot it are a little on the small side. Like super little skinny hobbits with camo, or maybe they are GI Joe guys............

Use your Imagination!

[Blackhawk Convertable]

Technically, if it's a Sub-sonic gun, it gets a silencer.

Faster than sound gets the suppressor.

But we all know what you're getting at...

[Willbird]

Technically, if it's a Sub-sonic gun, it gets a silencer.

Faster than sound gets the suppressor.

But we all know what you're getting at...

But when you go to file federal paperwork, they are ALL "silencers"

[303Guy]

Technically, if it's a Sub-sonic gun, it gets a silencer.

I was thinking about that. But mine isn't going to be completely silent due to the baffle design for paper patches and its very short 'overhang'. My criteria is that it is quiet enough for my sensitive ears without loose fit earplugs. (My current supersonic rifles require loose fit earplugs - those do not work for un-suppressed guns). Of course, If I could achieve total silence I would be stoked! (And on my way to making a bit of money with a radical new suppressor design! Actually, I've invented a small muzzle break that cuts muzzle blast as well as a bad suppressor - and it's as small as a muzzle break).

Isn't there some loop-hole in your 'silencer' laws that could be used ......

[Bullshop Junior]

You can have a "Can" (silencer/suppressor) on your gun, if it not permanently attached I THINK! Don't hold me to that. a friend of mine told me that.

[303Guy]

Here is a pic of my original suppressor/muzzle break. It's a prototype.



Here one can see how small it is.



I believe that in some states, it is legal (without registration/licence fees) if the device is permanently attached and does not reducw muzzle blast bt more than 4db. (Remember that 3db represents a doubling of sound pressure, so 4db is actually a lot and can take the muzzle blast from hearing damaging to 'safe'. And if it is permanently attached, how does law enforcement prove otherwise? Plus, if it is small, who's going to querie it anyway? )

These muzzle devices have an additional benefit - they protect the muzzle from mud, rain and all kinds of debris ingress - even the small ones.

[lwknight]

Those must be real soldiers in Bullshop Jr's avatar. The squirrel is from a Texas variety.

[303Guy]

The squirrel is from a Texas variety.

That figures. Everything is big in Texas, isn't it!

That avatar caught the corner of my eye and when I looked at it I thought, "What" I had to look again! And then for a third time!

I think it's great!

[Willbird]

You can have a "Can" (silencer/suppressor) on your gun, if it not permanently attached I THINK! Don't hold me to that. a friend of mine told me that.

Whether or not is is perm attached has no bearing on legality at the federal level. They are legal at the federal level if you pay a $200 per transfer tax, state law varies.

[303Guy]

I've finally found out a little about Lee Enfield models. The 'BSA Co' is a civilian target rifle - that explains the barrel profile and the wear to the chamber end of the bore. I have another LE MkI with a target barrel. The Pig Gun was a developmental gun issued for 'troop trials'. It's a ShtLE MkI (as opposed to the LE MkI). There was also an S.M.L.E. MkI which is a modified LE MkI. I'll stop before my head explodes!

The bad news is the Pig Gun has pitting in the neck area of the chamber, making case extraction difficult and marring the case necks.

On the up-side, I have a plan to create a new chamber for it that will better suite the throat and will allow for a longer boolit of up to 265gr.

[303Guy]

My latest (and last) Lee Enfield has arrived. It has a very good bore for a change.




It is fitted with an SMLE barrel which is thinner than the original LE barrel. I will 'lose' the sights - they're good but are almost as heavy as the barrel itself!

My Lee Enfiels collection is now complete. Now I can continue with my pig gun (the 'new' gun might end up being it. In which case the barrel off-cut and the current pig gun will become my DeLisle Carbine).

[phatman]

Thats not a supressor its a harmonics compensator.
Damn silly cops!

Cheers,
John