310 die mysteries

**dualsport** · 12-21-2009, 04:11 PM

Among other things I collect 310 tools, like a lot of people. I have some die sets that I haven't identified yet, bought here and there. Some look like bullet sizing dies. Anybody have a guess? Where is a good place to learn more about the 310? Thanks.

**scrapcan** · 12-21-2009, 04:16 PM

What you got? I can help I think. If not there are a few other members of Antique Reloading Tool Collectors Association that can.

Another place is The 310 Shop.

Again post what you got and we will see if there is help. PM sent also.

**Pressman** · 12-21-2009, 08:36 PM

I have all the 310 die charts from the various Lyman catalogs. With the numbers i can help you sort out what you have. Collecting 310 dies can get to be a BIG project as there are many, many variations from Lyman/Ideal in addition to the Redhead dies from CC Johnson. you will need to learn how to spot them as they are not marked with a name either.
Ken

**dualsport** · 12-21-2009, 11:07 PM

Thanks guys, I'll pull 'em out and find some numbers. Was there a bullet sizing die? Also, one oddball I picked up is a Lyman .32 WS sizer die that's like the Lee Loader die, only bigger. You beat the fired case into the die. If I hadn't found that I'd never known Lyman made this type.

**Green Frog** · 12-22-2009, 10:01 AM

Dualsport, I posted an offer to send my list of the 310 die code numbers to anyone who needed it, and it has since been posted on this website if you know how to navigate to it. The RedHead dies mentioned by Pressman were marked by caliber, so they should be no problem.

As for the other things you mentioned, the bullet sizing dies were available pretty much by thousandths for any caliber you could have loaded on the Tru-Line Jr press or 310 too. They came equipped with a matched plunger to push the bullet through the die. I have a variety of them, and they can be used easily with the TL Jr press, not so easily, but just as well with the 310 tool. I only dislike them because you have to prelube the bullets before sizing. The case sizing dies you mention were also available for a wide variety of calibers and since both the TL Jr and 310 lacked the leverage for heavy duty sizing, could be used periodically when brass needed full length sizing. I prefer to use mine with an arbor press, but a hammer will work. Don't forget to lube those cases before sizing!!

One other thing you might look for is the "Kake Kutter" to get the bullets out of the lube block when you pan lube them... together, these items made it possible to go from a fresh cast bullet to a loaded round, when added to your .310 or TL Jr set.

Regards,
Froggie

**Pressman** · 12-22-2009, 02:25 PM

Froggie, I have a few Red head dies along with four presses and a Printz press all left over from a project Floodgate and I worked on a year ago.
Some of the Red Head sizers are marked by caliber and some are marked with a chart number. Some are marked on the die body while others are marked on the head of the decapping rod.
None of the seaters are marked by caliber, rather all are marked by chart number.
I will have to take some side by side comparison pics of the Red Head and Lyman dies for ID purposes.

Ken

**Green Frog** · 12-22-2009, 02:45 PM

I bow to your superior knowledge on the RedHeads, Pressman. I only have been able to buy a single press with (marked 30-06 dies) and a matching (but coded) shell holder. Other than that there is the NOS tool head and a few extra shell holders gifted to me by CC's grandson and a little of the old literature. I must admit that the dies have pretty much eluded me and I have been going from the list Jerry Johnson gave me and my one die set, so I jumped to the wrong conclusion.

Froggie

**Pressman** · 12-22-2009, 05:55 PM

Froggie, have you talked to Jerry lately? I tried to email him last month and recieved a box full notice.

I would like to see what literature you have. Jerry was going to send me a piece he has but it never arrived. Floodgate and I have most of the shop drawings for the Red Head press, thanks to Jerry.

herters@netins.net is the best way to reach me.
Ken

**beagle** · 12-23-2009, 01:08 PM

There are sizing dies for the 310 tool that were provided by diameter and also the punches that could be ordered by TP number to fit the various bullets. This were used with the Kake Cutter and pan lubing.

The FL sizer dies were not used with the 310 tool but had to be used with a vise or arbor press and tapped out after the sizing operation.

Primer punches were provided both in round and flat configurations as at one time, rounded primers were offered seperately./beagle

**Green Frog** · 12-23-2009, 01:36 PM

Oh yeah, I should have mentioned that the straight walled pistol die sets for the TL Jr did come with full length sizers, but that little Jr press just didn't have the beef to FL size the larger, bottle necked cases, hence the need for the other series of "push-through" sizing dies. As I said, I really like to use them with a little arbor press that I made up for that purpose.

The points that Beagle made about specific primer punches and bullet nose punches were spot on... I have to admit that I don't use the bullet sizers enough for the former to be a concern, and since the older primers are so seldom used the latter is something I had frankly forgotten about. Oh, and another thing, at least some of the pushout rods for the sizing die have a recess for the old balloon head cases. You don't want to crush them inside!

Regards,
Froggie

**What Cheer** · 12-23-2009, 04:32 PM

Green Frog,

Could you tell me where your 310 die list is posted on this website?

Thank you.

What Cheer

**Green Frog** · 12-23-2009, 06:23 PM

[QUOTE=What Cheer;755025]Green Frog,

Could you tell me where your 310 die list is posted on this website?

Thank you.

What Cheer[/QUOTE

What Cheer,

I just looked for it and couldn't find it myself.

I sent it to one of the administrators of this or a related site and it was posted (I saw it at the time but never book marked it because I didn't need it

)

Anyway, if you'll send me a PM with your e-mail address in it, I'll be happy to send the whole schmeer to you as Word files.

Froggie

PS Somebody may see this and tell both of us where to find it!

**Pressman** · 12-23-2009, 09:13 PM

Tuesday I took all the Lyman die and mold charts to the printer for conversion to PDF files. They will be available on Monday.
Ken

**What Cheer** · 12-24-2009, 05:57 AM

Green Frog,

PM sent with my Email address, thank you.

What Cheer

**woody1** · 12-24-2009, 10:13 AM

[QUOTE=Green Frog;755113]

Originally Posted by What Cheer

Green Frog,

Could you tell me where your 310 die list is posted on this website?

Thank you.

What Cheer[/QUOTE

What Cheer,

I just looked for it and couldn't find it myself.

I sent it to one of the administrators of this or a related site and it was posted (I saw it at the time but never book marked it because I didn't need it

)

Anyway, if you'll send me a PM with your e-mail address in it, I'll be happy to send the whole schmeer to you as Word files.

Froggie

PS Somebody may see this and tell both of us where to find it!

Go to
http://www.castpics.net/
and look up Lyman 310 Reference

Regards, Woody

**Green Frog** · 12-24-2009, 10:54 AM

Thanks, Woody! I knew somebody would help me out with my CRS!

To all who read the page Woody reminded us of, and to all who have received this info from me personally, if you can fill in any of the "holes" in the chart, you are invited to contact me directly by PM, or e-mail to help close the gaps. This is an ongoing project with me.

The chart and explanation as they appear on the Castpics page were part of an article that I had published in the Journal of the American Single Shot Rifle Association, a group that is very familiar with cast boolits!

Merry Christmas to all!
Green Frog

**What Cheer** · 12-26-2009, 02:42 AM

Green Frog,

Thanks for sending the list, I had no idea the 310 sets were made for so many calibers.

Best Regards,

What Cheer

**TAWILDCATT** · 12-26-2009, 08:32 PM

the old sizing dies were first used with the ideal tools.I got one before WW2 for my win tong tool in 32/20 still have it.and the win tool and mold.I got the 310 die list from lyman with a call they copied from a lyman catalog.I have 5 truline and a bunch of dies.a tru line was my second press.around 1956?I use one to load 30/06 with lead. one for 32 long and another for expanding 41 swiss.I dont remember any other turrets.

**matrics631** · 10-02-2011, 10:02 PM

Is this a 310 Lyman tool? I think it is but the box is too worn to read if it said 310 on it or not.

My other boxes says 310. I don't know which box is the older set of dies.

**BWelch47** · 10-03-2011, 03:25 PM

Matrics631,

Yes that is a 310 tool. Idea was the original manufacturer of the 310. Note that the word Ideal is mentioned on the lower box.

BP	Bronze Point	IMR	Improved Military Rifle	PTD	Pointed
BR	Bench Rest	M	Magnum	RN	Round Nose
BT	Boat Tail	PL	Power-Lokt	SP	Soft Point
C	Compressed Charge	PR	Primer	SPCL	Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP	Hollow Point	PSPCL	Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt"	C.O.L.	Cartridge Overall Length
PSP	Pointed Soft Point	Spz	Spitzer Point	SBT	Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN	Lead Round Nose	LWC	Lead Wad Cutter	LSWC	Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC	Gas Check

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