I asked several months ago about this. Well I have been loading these in my Remington 870 and my Model 11 Remington. I use 36gr. HS-6 with a CB-1114 wad. I put 2 thicknesses of cardstock over the slug then crimp. I can put 3 in the same hole at around 25 yds. I am impressed. I get all my hulls at the skeet range on base.