US Milsurp Brass

[GSM]

Got this from another forum today:

Dear Valued Customer:

Please take a moment to note important changes set forth by the Defense
Logistics Agency:

Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes
and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in
conjunction with DLA's current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve
as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement
mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective
immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of
any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term
contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV
personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of
destruction is required in either case.

Thank you,

DOD Surplus
15051 N Kierland Blvd # 300
Scottsdale, AZ 85254

Looks like no more military once fired.

[Recluse]

Looks like no more military once fired.

Looks like the Osama administration is quietly implementing their backdoor "destroy the Second Amendment" strategies. . .

This is the way they'll do it, too. Quietly, under the radar, and in small incremental ways that the general public could care less about.

[Superfly]

look like we need t start scrounging even more.

Also looks like more panic buying.

[Tom Herman]

I despise waste... Maybe we need to work to get this reversed as well!

Happy Shootin'! -Tom

[StarMetal]

We don't need to scrounge for more, we need to put a stop to this. United we stand and divided we fall. Sit on our ##### on these pc's and do nothing but talk about it we fall too. A groups needs to get through to the government that places like Bartletts brass, and others, pay money for this that goes back to the government and there's no harm in shooters getting it.

Joe

[Bert2368]

A lot of discussion going on regarding this on various shooting related sites. Some questions as to the validity/interpretation of this information. I'm going to wait for confirmation before busting a gasket. Not that I don't think the folks who had all those lovely M-14's torched wouldn't DO such a thing.

[KCSO]

This has been the policy for quite some time. I remember picking up a 55 gallon drum of 38's at Offut and having to sign a form stating the brass would be mutilated. We did this with a rcbs brass removes tool and than they were crushed in a Dillon swedge.

[KYCaster]

I'm not sure but I think the GCA '68 required an FFL in order to buy surp. brass for the purpose of reloading. Otherwise you had to swear to destroy it like KCSO said.

The DOD statement cited here is one of Slick Willie's executive orders. It's the reason there is no more surp powder or bullets on the market.

And BTW....our good buddy Dubya had eight years to do something about it and didn't.

Jerry

[Slow Elk 45/70]

Make no mistake, this is the left wing creeping under the radar in their never ending effort to disarm America. They don't want an armed populous to deal with while they implement their socialist doctrine on the way to communism and the total oppression of the American people.

Take is one piece at a time, brass, bullets,powder, primers = ammo , no ammo = they don't have to have the guns because most people won't have ammo for them.

We the people that want to keep the country we and others have fought and bled for have to stop these people....now.

[mike in co]

a yes the pres can do this with no vote only signature
BUT

PROVE THE DOCUMENT IS REAL......

FROM A THIRD PARTIES SECOND PARTIES BOR IN LAW'S SITES MON////JUST DONT FLY


GET UP SET WHEN IT IS PROVEN...NOT BEFORE.


AND NO BRASS PURCHASES DID NOT REQUIRE DESTRUCTION NOT AN FFL.

mike in co

[anachronism]

So now we're going to have a run on brass again. Primers & bullets were bad enough. More internet panic, regardless of whether it's real or not.

[JW6108]

FYI. This is what I sent to my Senators and Congressman.

If anyone has a more eloquent way to put it, please do so, but everybody do something.

If we don't keep on top of these things, no one will do it for us.



http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml


Dear Senator/Congressman ________________,

A short while ago, DoD Surplus sent out this notice:

"Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes
and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in
conjunction with DLA's current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve
as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement
mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective
immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of
any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term
contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV
personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of
destruction is required in either case.

Thank you,

DOD Surplus
15051 N Kierland Blvd # 300
Scottsdale, AZ 85254"

If the Federal government is trying to function in a more efficient and cost effective manner, it seems ludicrous that DoD Surplus would arbitrarily decide to reduce the value of these surplus items 80% by destroying them. These items include empty brass cartridge cases from small arms, for which there is and always has been a considerable consumer demand. There is no legitimate reason whatsoever for this action and I view it solely as a back door means to inconvenience and harass the shooting hobby community. I would respectfully like to suggest that fired munitions (cartridge cases) .50 caliber and smaller be specifically exempted from this wasteful, unnecessary and maliciously implemented policy.

Thank you very much for all you do for the citizens of ___________.

Signed,

[PatMarlin]

http://www.jpfo.org/alerts03/alert20090313.htm

[Slow Elk 45/70]

Yes the people in Govt make these fine decisions, and when we try to get to the bottom of it, you might as well be trying to pull teeth from a chicken, if you want someone to prove it to you, go to the govt surplus outlet and try to buy some.

If the people that buy the bulk from the Gov't can't get it to sell to the usual outlets for mil surplus, it might be a clue

As far as proving the document is true, the Messiah won't produce his birth certificate, but I need to prove a document is true? Let them prove it's not true.
I'm sorry but IMHO I'm tired of having to disprove every lie that the Govt and the Politicians throw at us.

As far as the Internet goes , at least we hear about some of the things that affect our lives before it is history. If everyone that is out there buying is wrong, I'll be very happy, but this is just the first 50 days of this regime

At least we can all still have an opinion, for the time being.

[KYCaster]

a yes the pres can do this with no vote only signature
BUT

PROVE THE DOCUMENT IS REAL......

FROM A THIRD PARTIES SECOND PARTIES BOR IN LAW'S SITES MON////JUST DONT FLY


GET UP SET WHEN IT IS PROVEN...NOT BEFORE.


AND NO BRASS PURCHASES DID NOT REQUIRE DESTRUCTION NOT AN FFL.

mike in co

Well Mike, I can't say for sure whether this particular document is real, but if you'll just look at Pat's Reloading or GI Brass you'll see the effect of Clinton's executive order banning the sale of surplus ammo to the public.

Give Jeff Bartlett a call and he'll tell you why there is very little milsurp brass and powder available. It's because Clinton banned the sale of milsurp ammo to the public.

He'll also tell you that it was never the intention of the government to allow the general public to buy milsurp reloading components. While it was still available, the surplus ammo sold through the DOD had to be destroyed. Pulling the bullets and dumping the powder satisfied the requirement...it was no longer ammo. It took another twenty years for Clinton to accomplish with his executive order, what the DOD intended to do in 1968.

When I tried to buy brass from the DOD, I found that I could buy the brass, but I had to sign a form stating that the brass would be destroyed and used for scrap metal recycling only. To avoid the de-mil requirement, you had to have an FFL. Believe it or not, that's what the regs said in 1980.

What about the mil-surp ammo you see? The only place you could get mil-surp ammo was the DCM...later, the CMP. There was some that was re-imported from countries that originally got the ammo from the US, but there wasn't much of that.

Look at the CMP site...they've just sold the last of their Lake City ammo and everything else they offer is imported. The 30-06 they offer is Greek manufacture and the 30 carbine is Aguila from Mexico.

Anything you see in the gun shop with military headstamps (WCC 06, FC 98, e.g.) is newly manufactured in the same production lot as the govt. ammo, but was sold on the civilian market instead...it was never sold to the govt.

My point is...the days of cheap mil-surp ammo and components is OVER!!!! It started forty years ago with the GCA '68 and Clinton drove the last nail in the coffin ten years ago with his executive order. It's a bit late to start getting all indignant about the sorry state things have come to, don't you think?

Maybe it's time to start thinking about what's next? What's going to happen to the CMP when they run out of Garands and 30 Carbines? There are precious few of them left. Who's keeping an eye on the people who want to kill this program?

Whether you believe this document is real or not doesn't change the fact that you no longer have the privilege of buying components from the US government.

Jerry

[mike in co]

gentlemen,
if you go to any of the public listings of governemnt auctions( clearing houses that add a fee to your price...) you will find tons of gi brass for sale. clintons stuff dissappeared long ago. ammo cans are available, brass is available. with no destruction required.


if this has changed this month, someone show me.


even the link above is someones comments...no black and white government comment.....


way too much rumor monogoring


mike in co

[StarMetal]

gentlemen,
if you go to any of the public listings of governemnt auctions( clearing houses that add a fee to your price...) you will find tons of gi brass for sale. clintons stuff dissappeared long ago. ammo cans are available, brass is available. with no destruction required.


if this has changed this month, someone show me.


even the link above is someones comments...no black and white government comment.....


way too much rumor monogoring


mike in co

Yeah, well if you think this might be rumor take a look at Jeff Bartletts website. He's been in the business of selling surplus brass, bullets, and powder for a long time. Scroll down till you find his comment about brass:
http://gibrass.com/brass.html

Joe

[JIMinPHX]

We don't need to scrounge for more, we need to put a stop to this. United we stand and divided we fall. Sit on our ##### on these pc's and do nothing but talk about it we fall too. ...
Joe

This is true of many things the government has been doing. They need to be brought back under control. The government needs to be shrunk, not expanded.

[Shiloh]

This is true of many things the government has been doing. They need to be brought back under control. The government needs to be shrunk, not expanded.

Yes it does but it won't. Look at Kalifornia and the regulations one goes through for ANYTHING firearms related. Kalifornia is broke, but the legistature still spends money that doesn't exist We are in the dire straights because of the size of government, and there is no sign of ever going back. The stimulus (spending) bill that was recently signed tby the prez, does the same thing, spends money that doesn't exist. The folks riding in the wagon are more numerous than those pulling the wagon, and unfortunately THEY VOTE !!

This is the Message at Jeff Bartletts website:

Effective Immediately
Orders for all military brass acquired thru government auction is hereby
suspended until further notice. If recent auction purchased brass is
declared unrestricted, all orders will be filled in order received

http://www.gibrass.com/brass.html

I spoke Jeff about the destruction of surplus powder a while back. Whatever was in the pipeline was all that that there would be. He said that things would dry up and they have.

Look for Wolf, Barnaul, and Bear ammunition to be banned from import. That is next.

[TC66]

I find it hard to believe that there is any truth to this. Looking on the Government Liquidation site as of today all the auctions for brass state the following.

LOT (3420) APPROX FIRED BRASS, (8)BARRELS (PLASTIC AND METAL), ON(4)PALLETS, (4) BARRELS OF 7. 62 APPROX 1700 LBS, (4) BARRELS OF 5. 56 APPROX 1720 LBS, WEIGHT OF PALLETS AND BARRELS ARE INCLUDED IN TOTAL WEIGHT, NO MUTILATION REQUIRED, PREVIEW AND LOAD OUT BY APPOINTMENT.


Right now currently there is at least 100,000 lbs of brass listed for sale. Every listing has the same statement about No Mutilation Required.

Here is the link see for yourself.
http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auctio...&convertTo=USD