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    [QUOTE=Thumbcocker;5778407]
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    just remember you are the soul of the justice system, if you think the person was remotely justified even if they technically are guilty, find them innocent. the legal system tries to make you believe everything is black or white but mostly its gray and the jurors are there to put humanity into a otherwise trap. look into jury nullification, they wont tell you about it and forbid your lawyer to mention it in trial, wonder why[/QUOTE

    So the OP should violate the oath he will swear, if chosen, to apply the law as stated by the court in its instructions?
    no, he should use his head and see thru the lies the da will use to further their goals and decide accordingly, da's lie and manipulate the system to force convictions for profit, its time we the people took the legal system back. see the above post about the way they try to win at all costs
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    I sat on a jury once. We convicted a young girl of driving drunk and killing someone. Now my state allows me to opt out due to my age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 725 View Post
    In what was a more normal time, the idea of jury nullification was an extreme concept that had its place. With today's Soros induced decay of the system, jury nullification should be more widely accepted. It leads to chaos in the long run but serves justice in the immediate. I wish it wasn't needed. The State or even the Bench can willfully misstate the law by innuendo or inference, if driven past their oath by a prejudicial agenda (check out the news papers) so, it's up to the jury to be the finder of the facts. The problem that can not be overcome is the fact that from A to Z, the system is populated by humans and at every stage they are subject to personal agendas. In a moral state, that makes for a very good system, but in an amoral zealot world you might as roll dice.
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    [COLOR="#800080"]I can tell if their guilty just by lookin' at em' [COLOR="#800080"]has always worked for me. Seriously, I have been called several times and only seated once. Last time about a month ago I did not have to report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tatume View Post
    She yelled "I could have convicted him."
    . She only cared about her conviction rate and her political advancement.
    I've always had a problem with that. The most important thing for some DAs is their conviction record.

    I've been called several times, and seated a few times.

    I was on one case where the DA kept harping on his minimum requirements to get a conviction.
    When asked if anyone had anything to say before the lawyers made their selections, I told the court
    since the DA had pounded on his minimum requirements so much, it sounded he had a minimal case at best.
    If I was going to send someone to prison,,, that ain't good enough.
    I wasn't seated.
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    I was called once and reported for a murder case of a jail inmate knifing a cell mate. I was asked my opinion of the Second Amendment by a lawyer. I replied, "I did not read where a firearm was involved in this case." I was excused.

    It seems they screen conservative, Constitution-believing citizens from jury duty in my district.

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    Attorneys are advocates for a position. They have sworn to represent their clients to the best of their ability within the bounds of law and ethics. Jurors are there to decide the facts based on the evidence presented at the trial. The judge rules on issues of law. The judge instructs the jurors on the law and they apply it to the facts they find to be true. Jurors don't and shouldn't decide a case based on what they think the law ought to be. If a juror doesn't believe that a law is just or something shouldn't be illegal they should be up front during vor dire and be excused.

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    [QUOTE=rancher1913;5778465]
    Quote Originally Posted by Thumbcocker View Post

    no, he should use his head and see thru the lies the da will use to further their goals and decide accordingly, da's lie and manipulate the system to force convictions for profit, its time we the people took the legal system back. see the above post about the way they try to win at all costs
    I never did.

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    It is also worth noting: We don't know what state the Op is in.

    We don't know if the OP will be selected.

    We don't know what type of case the OP will sit on if chosen.

    Things to consider before getting our leg exercises by leaping to conclusions and branding whole groups of people as corrupt.

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    Did that some years ago, spent 3.5 days in a pool and never called upon for a case. Noon the 4th day we, the pool met with a judge who ask, ''Who among you would rather not be here?'' I raised my hand and he said I could go home. As I got up to leave the court room a lot more hands went up!

    edit-I got a notification last year for FEDERAL jury duty! My Dr. wrote a letter getting me out of that cluster, (you sign in and they notify you at home if or not every Friday, for 5 weeks!..no thanks).
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    If you want out of jury duty, just tell them the truth during Voir Dire. When the judge asks you if you have reason to believe you would be a good juror, tell him you would be an excellent juror because you are fully aware that the cops are just as capable of lying as anyone else. That usually does the trick.

    Although one time a friend of mine answered the judge that he would make an excellent juror because he could tell just by looking at someone if they were a liar or not. That should have been enough, but the judge kept probing;..."Son, I've been here observing witnesses and testimony for decades, and I can't tell if someone is lying just by looking at them." To which my friend replied in disgust, "And you call yourself a judge?" Instant dismissal.
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    A buddy was on a panel one time and at the end the judge asked if anyone thought they would
    make a particularly good or bad juror.

    A little old lady stood up and said she'd make a good juror because she could spot guilty people a mile away....
    (pointing) Like that sleazy guy over there with those shifty, rat looking eyes...

    The judge laughed and told her, "Ma'am, that's the District Attorney".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winger Ed. View Post
    A buddy was on a panel one time and at the end the judge asked if anyone thought they would
    make a particularly good or bad juror.

    A little old lady stood up and said she'd make a good juror because she could spot guilty people a mile away....
    (pointing) Like that sleazy guy over there with those shifty, rat looking eyes...

    The judge laughed and told her, "Ma'am, that's the District Attorney".


    Doesn't mean the "little old lady" was wrong.

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    Called once for a Federal thing but it was 90 miles away so they let me off. Wife has been called a couple of times. Last one involved a firearm and someone who would be put away a long time if convicted. Fortunately she has me and we have talked about firearms quite a bit. The police and prosecutor were so incompetent I'm surprised they even brought the case to trial. Was the firearm his? Most likely but they couldn't come close to proving it and even made a number of ridiculous statements about about the gun itself. I hope I do get called sooner or later and it involves firearms as no one seems to know anything about them anymore
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finster101 View Post
    Doesn't mean the "little old lady" was wrong.
    Most likely hit the nail on the head.
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    Been called but never picked.
    I would want the system to be easier to be a juror.
    Seems to still be a 19th century process.
    Maybe screen jurors by reading their Facebook.

    "Please reduce me let me go" isn't helping anybody except the bad guys.

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    I've served twice. The first time was interesting. The 2nd was a PITA! I kept telling myself it was my Civic Duty.

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    if you have ever sat in the defendants chair you will have an inside view to the corruption that the da gets away with, been there done that and luckily i had a few good jurors, make that 12 good jurors that saw thru the lies without me even having to testify, took them about 15 minutes and none could believe this was even a case much less prosecuted. i was portrayed as a mental case that attacks people for no reason. i thought i was being attacked by a person fleeing the cops, the dude was speeding around my backyard chasing cows and doing in excess of 50 mph in a dirt pasture. turned out he was a fedex driver and after getting him stopped and yelling at him, i escorted him off the property and was going to be a kind person and forget about it. spent a year being given one plea deal after another, each less and less harsh, final was do 6 months probation and record would be wiped clean after. all because of a da being paid to prosecute because fedex was pushing it. cop looked like a complete idiot on stand, driver was so stoned he could not even make complete sentences. so for those that want to believe the legal system does not need jurors that can think and do whats right, i pry you never have to endure what i went thru
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    I was called twice, but rejected twice. They ask if anyone has any connections to Law Enforcement. When you say that you're a retired officer they look at you sternly and ask, "But you could hear all of the evidence and then make a fair and impartial decision, right?" You assure them that you could, and then they dismiss you! Where I live now you just check a box "I'm over age 70 and wish to be excluded from serving," and mail it back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick L View Post
    Well they got me. It seems they've missed me for decades. I need to report this morning.


    I have mixed feelings. This is a major pain in the butt, even for a retired guy like me. Part of me just wants to get rejected. On the other hand, it's the way our system works, and I'm glad that's the way our system works. If I were ever arrested for something, would I want my jury to be made up of the dregs and leftovers??? I guess we'll just see.
    I have served 6 times county after I turned 21 and 4 times federal. Here in Texas people think that not registering to vote will keep you out of jury duty that just ain't so. They go by drivers license. And here in Bexar County if you don't show up they will come and get you and you will be in jail over night. They got my neighbor and she spent 2 nights in Bexar County jail plus a $550 dollar fine.

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