Recently stumbled across these in my travels and I'm curious as to why the US was still having 30 carbine made in the late 80's by Winchester. I was under the impression they had started to release m1 carbines and their ammo to be sold off in the 60's. I know they were issued in Vietnam but the war ended in 1975. So what was this ammo's purpose?
Any answers or thoughts are appreciated
John
I don't know........but I'd love to have a couple thousand rounds of it!
DG
I don't know either but I just ordered some more US Army surplus from CMP. When they show up, I doubt they'll be head stamped from the 80's but it'll be good stuff.
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Korea and I think Italy had 30 carbines until fairly recently in their arsenal. I bought a couple of them from CMP in the last 8-10 years when CMP had them returned. Decent rifles, I think I paid $400 each for a couple of them. The daughter has laid claim to one of them. Second one went to a buddy's girlfriend.
Just wish I had bought as many as they would have let me cart out of the building, the prices have gotten stupid high the last couple of years.
Korea, Italy and Israel load M1 carbine ammo, so I doubt the WCC80s ammo would have been produced for export to them.
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May have been a military contract for an overseas buyer.
I've some 303 British made by Winchester from 1983-84 timeframe, was over run from a large foreign country order from what I was told.
Some of that WCC84 went to Canada for the Rangers.Originally Posted by 30calflash
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I remember buying ammo like that in the mid-80s. It came in a white box with 30 Carbine in black print and USA inside a circle of stars.
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This!
The "generic" ammunition marketed by Winchester had WCC (the old Western Cartridge Company logo) headstamps, vs the WW observed on the "name brand" ammo. I have observed late-dated WCC headstamps on various military-type ammunition. One can still find current dated WCC headstamps on "white box" 38sp and 9mm. I even have a few boxes of "white box" 7.62x54R with WCC headstamps, which will make your buddies scratch their heads!
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The M-1 Carbine is still pretty popular in Central and South America.
Maybe the picture is blurred but in the bottom picture I see WCC 67 and WCC 68.....?
Larry Gibson
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That`s what I thought that I saw also Larry!!!
i see 87 & 88
Blowing the picture up it is clearly 87. Harder to tell on the 68 / 88.
That sure brings back memories. I bought my first carbine at a garage sale in '89 as I recall, when I was a teenager. Before I started reloading I would buy the USA Winchester ammo at the local hardware store, as described in posts #8 and 9 above. It all had that exact same headstamp, commercial ammo with a military-style stamp. I'm pretty sure I still have some of the brass around that I'm still reloading.
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