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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckiller View Post
    I have a 1970's Marlin 1894 in 44 Mag. It made several trips home after hunting with several cartridges in the magazine. Several trips to a good gunsmith. It still left cartridges in the magazine. Last time at the smith's when he had fixed it I loaded it in front of him. Not happy. Could not unload it. Smith sent it off to Marlin when it was still Marlin. Not sure what they did to it but it now works. No problem unloading it. After several years of problems I am now happy with it.
    Thanks for sharing, I've never heard of that problem with a Marlin before. Shame they didn't tell you the cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GregLaROCHE View Post
    Don’t forget, that to get best performance from each, handguns and rifles should use different loads.
    Not true. When it comes to PCCs*, the case volume is always the deciding factor. If you were talking something bigger than a pistol caliber, such as a 444 Marlin (to keep things in the .430” bullet diameter), then, yes, different powders will perform differently in different barrel lengths. The best performance for a 44 Mag handgun is a max load of H110/W296, because that gets the most btu/case capacity. In the carbine, it is no different. There is not a powder which will create more velocity in the Carbine than H110/W296.

    I have 44 Magnum Revolvers in 4, 5, 6, and 7.5” and carbines with 16, 18, and 20” barrels and the max load of H110/W296 for a given bullet always creates the best loads. Just not enough room in a 44 Magnum case to get an advantage with a slower burning powder in carbines…

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeMineA10mm View Post
    Just not enough room in a 44 Magnum case to get an advantage with a slower burning powder in carbines…
    A similar issue appears in rifle cartridges also, and it's related to the bore diameter, it's the expansion ratio.
    With the area of the bore going up with the square of the radius, a big-bore bullet opens-up barrel volume at a much faster rate than small-bore bullets, that faster volume increase requires faster powders.
    That's why for top performance we can't use real slow powders even in big cases/big bores like a .458 WM, or even a .45-70.
    With the .300WM I could use 4350, with the .375H&H I had to go to a faster powder.
    While single base vs double base powders exhibit a difference in energy per unit weight, all powders of the same base have the same energy per unit weight. The burn rate is controlled by shape and coating

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowdrie View Post
    A similar issue appears in rifle cartridges also, and it's related to the bore diameter, it's the expansion ratio.
    With the area of the bore going up with the square of the radius, a big-bore bullet opens-up barrel volume at a much faster rate than small-bore bullets, that faster volume increase requires faster powders.
    That's why for top performance we can't use real slow powders even in big cases/big bores like a .458 WM, or even a .45-70.
    With the .300WM I could use 4350, with the .375H&H I had to go to a faster powder.
    While single base vs double base powders exhibit a difference in energy per unit weight, all powders of the same base have the same energy per unit weight. The burn rate is controlled by shape and coating
    Absolutely! I have the same issue with my 444 Marlin. N200-H322 is the narrow burn rate range which works. RL-7, 4198, H322 get the most for me in the Triple 4.
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