i loaded some snake loads, 38 spec, 2.5 gr American Select, fiber wad, 1.4 cc shot and an inverted gas check.. At 10 feet it was a good pattern, apx 6" in diameter. Very quiet but the target was stapled to 1/2" black insulation board. Shot bounced back and hit me in the belly. Didn't hurt and didn't even stain my white tee shirt. More powder!!