What powder for 30 Carbine?

[15meter]

"If we ever should get a below-85*F day,"

I'm probably not going to see one of those until October, perhaps November.......been running 110 to 123 the last few weeks. Does get down to the mid to high 90s at night......

I'll stick to Michigan, gonna have to close the windows tonight, going down to 54 for a low, about to go find real pants before I go to shoot trap with the rummies this evening.

And I'm 25 miles from buckeye land, not "up north".

[ebb]

Gave my 2400 away to a friend to load 44mag. Used my 4227 to load 30/30. I have way more win 231 than i will ever use , but no 296. Looks as if Cathy will not get to shot dads M1, till I find some powder. Thanks for your help!!!!

[barnetmill]

Winchester 680 ball powder was originally loaded in the 30 M1 carbine. At one time I had over 200 pounds of it at $3 / lb. Probably have 50 or so left. Have given a bunch away over the years after it was surplus. Win 680 ball works great in 22 Hornet, 7.92x33mm Kurtz and even 50-70 Govt. but really shines in 30 M1 Carbine. The listing now shows it as 1680 ball powder. McPhearson's reloading manual has good listings. My 44 Colt Annaconda likes 16.5 grs of 680 ball with 300 gr cast boolits.

Perhaps ''Winchester 680 ball powder was originally loaded in the 30 M1 carbine.'' was loaded in the 30 M1 carbine, but just about every source that I have seen says winchester 296 was the first powder used.

The .30 Carbine was the first U.S. military cartridge to be loaded with ball powder. The propellant later became available to the canister trade as Winchester 296 Ball Powder or W296 for short. Sometime later, Hodgdon purchased the same powder from Winchester and sold it as H110. https://www.rifleshootermag.com/edit.../463845#replay

What is especially good is that hodgdon sells both powders and are normally available; These powders are considered to be just about same.

[Barry54]

Gave my 2400 away to a friend to load 44mag. Used my 4227 to load 30/30. I have way more win 231 than i will ever use , but no 296. Looks as if Cathy will not get to shot dads M1, till I find some powder. Thanks for your help!!!!

It’s on my list of things to try, but supposedly 32-20 loads are safe in 30 carbine. I hear they won’t cycle though. So she probably still could “shoot it” but not semi-auto without the proper powder.

[barnetmill]

It’s on my list of things to try, but supposedly 32-20 loads are safe in 30 carbine. I hear they won’t cycle though. So she probably still could “shoot it” but not semi-auto without the proper powder.

Here is partial list of powders from Hodgdon for the 30 US M1 Car
Many of these powders can be directly purchased from Hodgdon, you have to pay shipping and Hazmat.

296
4100
Enforcer
H110
H4227
IMR 4227
Lil'Gun
No. 9
SR 4759

[Barry54]

https://www.handloadermagazine.com/p...nt-profiles-12

This article mentioned 11FS is useful in 30 carbine, but didn’t list any recipes.

It seems like 11FS is sitting on the shelf in most every store I check.

[barnetmill]

https://www.handloadermagazine.com/p...nt-profiles-12

This article mentioned 11FS is useful in 30 carbine, but didn’t list any recipes.

It seems like 11FS is sitting on the shelf in most every store I check.

According to the write up it sounds like it should work in the 30US Carbine cartridge. But one will have to hunt for data.

Product Overview

No. 11FS is intended for full-power loads in magnum handguns and smaller capacity rifle cartridges. This double-base spherical propellant was developed with an eye toward personal defense and incorporates a flash-suppressant that substantially reduces muzzle signature in low light conditions. In the .300 Blackout, No. 11FS is capable of extremely high velocities with lighter bullets, making it the best propellant choice for shooters looking to maximize downrange performance. Made in the USA

[ebb]

Are there any of these powders that are more versatile than the others? I load 38spec, 357 mag, 9mm, 45 acp, eventually 12 gage and a host of bottle neck rifle cartridges 223, 260 rem, 25-06, 308 win, 30-06 300RUM , 7RUM, 30/30????

[Delkal]

H110/W296 is not versatile. It does one thing and one thing only. It gives max velocity to larger capacity straight walled cartilages and should always be loaded to max and never downloaded. While it is excellent for a 30 carbine and big bore straight walled magnum cartridges (there are some loads for a 357 with a heavy bullet) it would not be suitable for any of your other cartridges.

[Barry54]

Are there any of these powders that are more versatile than the others? I load 38spec, 357 mag, 9mm, 45 acp, eventually 12 gage and a host of bottle neck rifle cartridges 223, 260 rem, 25-06, 308 win, 30-06 300RUM , 7RUM, 30/30????

You could get a light shotgun powder for 12 gauge and do double duty in 38 special and 9mm and 45. Something like Longshot for stout 12 gauge loads would work for full throttle 9 and 45 loads and middle of the road 357 loads. 223, 308, and 30-30 could share a powder. Stretching it you could include 30-06 and 260. Then your Ultra mags and 25-06 could share a magnum rifle powder. Whichever powder you pick for 30 carbine will work for magnum level 357 loads.
So you might cover all those with four powders. Six or more would be better, letting you reach full potential with each of your cartridges.

[barnetmill]

H110/W296 is not versatile. It does one thing and one thing only. It gives max velocity to larger capacity straight walled cartilages and should always be loaded to max and never downloaded. While it is excellent for a 30 carbine and big bore straight walled magnum cartridges (there are some loads for a 357 with a heavy bullet) it would not be suitable for any of your other cartridges.

Works just fine in 300 blackout. loads for H110 hodgdon loading center
16 inch barrel
110 v-max 18.4 2,191 38,900 PSI 19.4 2,286 48,400 PSI
Bullet: 125 GR. NOS BT 15.7 1,921 32,400 PSI 18.5C 2,205 52,500 PSI
Bullet: 150 GR. HDY IB 14.6 1,725 34,400 PSI 17.2 1,971 52,800 PSI

Other cartridge cases for it
22 Hornet
22 K Hornet
218 Bee
25-20 Winchester
256 Winchester Magnum
30 Carbine
300 AAC Blackout
32-40 Winchester
357 Magnum
350 Legend
400 Legend
44 Remington Magnum - Rifle
450 Bushmaster

[Barry54]

I totally understand the statement that 110/296 is not versatile. Most of the list above are straight wall cartridges. H110 excels in top velocity applications in examples such as those.

Nobody in there right mind with a good understanding of reloading would recommend 110 for reduced loads in 30-06 with cast boolits.

2400 on the other hand, can be used in many of the cartridges above. Plus it’s useful in larger cartridge cases with reduced cast loads.

As far as powder selection, 300 Whisper/blackout might as well be a straight wall cartridge. And look at the pressure of the loads you selected. All of those are higher than 45 Colt pressure or even 38 special pressure. Hence it being a “magnum” powder.

[ebb]

Yea I have enough slow magnum powder to start a young war and enough of the faster stuff to keep me going in the 308/30-06 cased rifles. A friend gave me his grandfathers big paper drum of green dot and a bunch of 231 and a bunch of Win 748. The 748 works well for 223, and I hear for 30/30 also. About all that I have any idea about using out of Barnetmill's list would be 30 carbine and 300BLK. So I guess what I am asking, is H100 what I am looking for? or do others offer an advantage or more versatility?

[Barry54]

As already discussed. Of the powder options that function the carbine 2400 has broader applications.

In 300 Whisper (blackout) data is way more abundant for H110 powder.

[barnetmill]

I totally understand the statement that 110/296 is not versatile. Most of the list above are straight wall cartridges. H110 excels in top velocity applications in examples such as those.

Nobody in there right mind with a good understanding of reloading would recommend 110 for reduced loads in 30-06 with cast boolits.

2400 on the other hand, can be used in many of the cartridges above. Plus it’s useful in larger cartridge cases with reduced cast loads.

As far as powder selection, 300 Whisper/blackout might as well be a straight wall cartridge. And look at the pressure of the loads you selected. All of those are higher than 45 Colt pressure or even 38 special pressure. Hence it being a “magnum” powder.

Loads That I listed were to 150 grains for 300 blackout.
But you can load 190 gr bullets to subsonic velocities

Bullet: 190 GR. HDY SUB-X 9.6 1,067 22,400 PSI

But it is true that cases of a certain powder capacity with mostly straight or close to straight walls seems to what the loading companies list.

There seems to be something about H110/W296 that results in no published loads that I can find for medium size bottle neck cases such as 7.62x39 and say 30-30. It is strange for sure.

[barnetmill]

As already discussed. Of the powder options that function the carbine 2400 has broader applications.

In 300 Whisper (blackout) data is way more abundant for H110 powder.

In 300 BO reloading data is in general more abundant due to interest in that caliber.

[Barry54]

I’m missing your point about subsonic?

The Sierra manual lists data for 300 Whisper with a 240 grain matchking. H110 powder velocity range is 950 to 1200 FPS

This bullet is longer than the brass! It eats up a significant portion of the powder space (intentionally for subsonic suppressor use) So you have a heavy bullet in a nearly straight case and barely enough room for the powder. H110 shines in instances like this!

[Delkal]

The 300 BO is basically a rimless 357 mag that has been necked down 0.045 inches and lengthened by 0.08 inches. It is not surprising H110 would work.

[barnetmill]

I’m missing your point about subsonic?

The Sierra manual lists data for 300 Whisper with a 240 grain matchking. H110 powder velocity range is 950 to 1200 FPS

This bullet is longer than the brass! It eats up a significant portion of the powder space (intentionally for subsonic suppressor use) So you have a heavy bullet in a nearly straight case and barely enough room for the powder. H110 shines in instances like this!

Point was that the 300 bo and 110/296 is not limited to 110 grain bullets full loads as was suggested: that 110/296 is not versatile.

190 GR. HDY SUB-X 9.6 1,067 22,400 PSI
A 190 grain bullet with 9.6 grains is probably not filling the case; there is no mention of C for compressed. But I have not yet tried the 190s. I have some 190s and if more powder will fit in the case, I might try and get it to low supersonic levels.

[Barry54]

I give up. Are you in agreement that it is not versatile? It’s only useful in certain cartridges with close to 100% fill.

Unique on the other hand can likely be loaded in every cartridge we can own without a special permit.

Sorry for sidetracking this thread.