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    Converting S&W 30-1 to 32 H&R

    What's that you say, bunkie? You say that the thought of a 32 H&R snubby appeals but you haven't got the scratch for a one of those Lipsey's special runs and the older ones on GunBroker cost more than your first three cars put together. You say the 327 seems to be too much fun, and the Taurus and Ruger offerings leave you cold. Well, have I got a deal for you. It's easy, doesn't require a work room full of tools nor a grand in special tooling and if you can remove your cylinder and tap a screw hole, you can do this. What I am talking about is converting a J-frame 32 S&W Long model 30-1 to 32 H&R. I have just finished my second, and it's not hard.

    Well, as the rabbit stew recipe has it, first catch your rabbit. You want a model 30-1, or a 31-1, serial number 712954-826977. The earlier guns, the Hand Ejectors and the model 30's and 31's no-dash, are built on the I-frame, and the cylinders are too short to allow the longer cartridge to fit. Once you have it, you need a tap wrench and a 32 H&R finishing Reamer, cutting oil, and a padded vise to do the job. I bought a Clymer, piloted, cylinder finishing reamer from Midway, but I understand they are available for rent. You do not want one for a rifle, unless you are going to use a mill or a lathe and can set the depth precisely as you ream. But all we are doing is deepening the charge holes .155", from ~.920 to ~1.075".

    Once you have all the tools, remove the cylinder and clamp it securely in a well padded vise, extractor up. I use scrap leather for pads, although I have cast lead to make non-marring jaws for my old Sears vice. Make sure it is firmly held, but not so tight you squash something. Fit the reamer into your tap wrench. Liberally oil the reamer with your cutting oil and insert it in the first charge hole. Then it is just a matter of slowly turning the tap wrench, while watching the stops on the reamer. Do not reverse direction, you'll damage the reamer. When you are about halfway there, having gone a 1/16th of an inch or so, carefully extract the reamer, clean the metal chips off of it and swab out the cylinder. Re-lube the reamer and resume the cutting. It takes me about 15 minutes per charge hole, though I am sure if I did a lot of these, I wouldn't need that much time. When the stop touches the cylinder, stop. Don't turn it any more. Remove, clean and oil the reamer and go onto the next hole. Continue until you have all 6 holes done.

    Now I know we are going to have all the collectors swarming out of the woodworks saying, "No, No, you'll destroy the value, It will never be the same, The S&W collectors association will tar and feather you, your children will be born with the mark of the beast , and you'll be shunned by all mankind." And right behind them will be the safety Nazis, "You'll blow yourself up, fragments will destroy the entire area and it will be 50 years before mankind can return safely. To both of these groups I sniff and say "Hogwash."

    There is no external difference before and after conversion. It will still chamber 32 S&W Long. And will still shoot about the same as it did before. Unless you mark the barrel, no one will know unless you tell them.
    My guns are my guns. I didn't buy them for the next guy. Besides which, Smith made oodles of them and a purist can look for another one if it bothers him.

    The safety guys are overly cautious, in my view. Provided you are not going to hotrod the H&R, but are going to stay with standard 32 H&R loads (ignore the Ruger owners who will tell you they load theirs right up to 327 velocities) you will have ample strength. The cylinder walls are thicker than those on the K frame 38's and those are rated for plus P, MAP 18,500, while the MAP for the 32 H&R is 21,000. Larry Gibson has measured 32 S&W factory cartridges at 18,000+ psi and Smith stated those were safe for use in their 32 revolvers. People have been doing this for 40 years now, and if ever there was a problem with it, I am sure the stories would be coming out of the woodwork by now. I would also ignore the guys who say just buy Buffalo Bore and leave the gun as is. Aside from the expense, I view their claims of magic powders that give 20 percent (or more) greater energy at the same pressure level with a very jaundiced eye. I know that independent testing by our own Larry Gibson showed that some so called 38 plus P was really more like 357 lite. Anyway, I have done two now, and will post a photo or two as soon as I get my computer to cooperate.

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    This is a project I have been seriously considering. Thank you for the confirmation!

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    I have heard that such endeavors will cause your children to be born naked.

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    I'm a fan of the .32HR. I'm a fan of S&W wheelguns. Folks have been doing this over at the S&W forum for years.

    I like a 98gr SWC over Unique. Enjoy.

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    Another 32 H&R fan here.

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    Excellent conversion!
    I’m currently gathering parts to turn an old beater s&w m36, into a 3” M30 in 32 H&R mag.
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    Anyone have a line on a reamer? I guess that's my next step...

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    This has been discussed at length by the folks over on the S&W Forum. There is a surprisingly active group of 32 revolver owners, shooters and collectors out there. This 32 S&W L-H&R is probably the most popular conversion amongst our crowd, a well established and always successful project.
    Speaking of projects, it seems like you’re taking a step backwards Wheelgun. A Model 36 usually brings more around here than a similar Model 30, so unless you have the 36 already and can get the parts cheaply, it sounds like a money loser. OTOH, if you don’t have much in the 36, it should be a pretty easy project. If I were doing it, I’d look for a Model 30 or 31 parts kit so I had the barrel and cylinder and a spare hand if needed to switch from a five shooter to a six shooter. Usually it works without change, but one never knows. I picked up a complete (minus frame) 32 I frame parts kit a couple of years ago and only paid about $100-150 for the whole thing.
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    PTG, Manson and Clymer all supposedly make one, but I could only find the Clymer version in stock. 96.00 at BROWNELLS. 4D Rentals are reported to be cheaper. I can not speak to that as I have never had to deal with them.

    ps. Hey there, Froggie, you're stuttering.
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    I bought a 32 H&R Charter Arms Professional a few years back. It shoots okay, groups well but point of impact is about 10" low at 25 yards with a 6 o'clock hold. I don't care for the funky green front sight. but it is a 7 shot and as long as I remember to cover the target and forget 6 o'clock holds it is fine.

    The last 30-2 I saw ran $700 but it was in excellent condition with box and tools. It has been too years ago and I still wonder if I should have bit on it. My little I frame 32 long is one of the most accurate guns I own. I also have a 16-4 and a single 6 so am not lost in the 32 H&R dept. I will be all over a 3" J frame if I find a decent example.
    Thanks for a great write up of the process.
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    The only fly in the ointment for me is that 1/10" sights aren't good for 70 year old eyes. Other than that, it's a home run. The POA and POI are pretty close, and only slightly higher than the 32 S&W Long points. Which somewhat surprised me, since my experiences in the 38/357 world had led me to believe faster usually hits lower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rintinglen View Post
    The only fly in the ointment for me is that 1/10" sights aren't good for 70 year old eyes. Other than that, it's a home run. The POA and POI are pretty close, and only slightly higher than the 32 S&W Long points. Which somewhat surprised me, since my experiences in the 38/357 world had led me to believe faster usually hits lower.
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    Wait ‘til you get another five years on those old eyes. For me, the effects of aging on my vision are starting to seem exponential. BTW, I hope by now you’ve gotten rid of those abominable grips by Goodyear and put some real wood stocks on that four inch.
    Seriously I would suggest putting 2-3 empties in chambers not being reamed to support the extractor star. Probably not absolutely necessary during this particular job, but always a good idea.
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    Charlie, I was about like you with my vision. I was so extremely nearsighted that my eye surgeon told me I had some of the deepest eyes he had ever seen. I had astigmatism in both eyes and glaucoma. I was wearing glasses at age 9. Then my vision began to go. I put scopes on most of my rifles. Two years ago I had cataract + surgery. In one operation per eye they fixed my nearsightedness, my astigmatism, and my glaucoma and gave me new (expensive) lenses. For the first time in my life my vision is 20/20!

    I did pay for the adjustable lenses, the best they had at the time. It is well worth it.
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    Wayne, I had cataracts removed from both eyes about a year ago. The right eye wasn’t bad enough to benefit from a special lens enough to do it. The Mac. Degen. in the left eye was so far along it wasn’t worth a special lens. Still wearing glasses, but they’re doing double duty as shooting (safety) glasses.
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    I like it. I like it a lot.

    But I don't see the practicality of it. You can't get a 30-1 or a 31-1 for less than $600 these days. Another $100 for the reamer. Low end of the project probably $700 assuming you can get a $600 revolver.

    Cost of a Taurus 327 2.5" is about $300-350. Cost of a 4" version is <$400. You could buy both for the same price as doing this project.

    Yeah, they're not as nice as the old S&W revolvers. But that doesn't seem to be the criteria here, which is 32 H&R in a revolver.
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    Well. I paid 425 for the 4" last spring, and $500 for the 2 inch Earlier this Month. I have yet to see one of the new "Ultimate Carry" snubbies for less than a grand. (Well. $999.00). And those 90's era, 631's are untouchable for less than 1,500 bucks. So my conversions made sense for me. Admittedly, both Charter Arms and Taurus make revolvers, but they are not that much cheaper, nor much more common. ( I very seldom see the Charters in my neck of the woods.) And I have never seen a 327 or 32 H&R Taurus in the ferrous flesh, so to speak. While the Charters run about 400, I have yet to see a Taurus for sale near me in a 32 caliber. And by the time I order a gun, pay shipping and tax then my dealers fee's, I'm looking at at 70-100 dollars on top of the "Price."

    The reality is, 32 S&W Long simply does not "draw." 32's do not sell very well. Most folks look, say "ooh, a 38," then wander off when they see the caliber. When a new 32 model comes out, aficionados all snap up one, and after those 20 or 30 are sold, the remainder sit on the shelf. Consequently Manufacturers seldom make a run of those 32's and when they do, they are usually short ones. (I spent nearly 9 years looking for a Ruger 3", SP101 in 327.)

    If you don't reload, it is expensive to shoot, and ammo is somewhat hard to find. If you do reload, having options is a good thing. Which is why I and others have been interested in the conversion. It make the gun a little more useful, it doesn't hurt anything, and in the world of custom gun work, it's pretty cheap. If you have a suitable Smith J frame, or if one's for sale at a local pawn shop for a reasonable figure, you could do worse.
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    Well I had someone help me out with a reamer (THANK YOU) and I can happily report that the effort required to lay my hands on my 2" model 30 was quite a bit more than actually reaming the cylinder. Super easy job and I'm looking forward to hitting the range with some full pressure wadcutters...

    As far as model 30's (and 31's) commanding a large price, this one is mechanically very nice but the sideplate and a few other spots have almost no finish remaining. I only have a bit over $200 into it. They are out there and surprisingly (at least to me) not highly sought after unless in excellent condition. A real shame in my opinion as even in the original .32SWL configuration, a person is fairly well armed with a light and handy all steel handgun that is about the easiest to pack. I sure like mine!

    I'd love a new Ultra Carry but the prices are just more than I can swing and honestly I am not a fan of aluminum frames. I most certainly do like the sights on the new UC revolvers a lot. To me it would be even better if it was on a stainless steel frame. Just goes to show you, can't make everyone happy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rintinglen View Post
    Well. I paid 425 for the 4" last spring, and $500 for the 2 inch Earlier this Month. I have yet to see one of the new "Ultimate Carry" snubbies for less than a grand. (Well. $999.00). And those 90's era, 631's are untouchable for less than 1,500 bucks. So my conversions made sense for me. Admittedly, both Charter Arms and Taurus make revolvers, but they are not that much cheaper, nor much more common. ( I very seldom see the Charters in my neck of the woods.) And I have never seen a 327 or 32 H&R Taurus in the ferrous flesh, so to speak. While the Charters run about 400, I have yet to see a Taurus for sale near me in a 32 caliber. And by the time I order a gun, pay shipping and tax then my dealers fee's, I'm looking at at 70-100 dollars on top of the "Price."

    The reality is, 32 S&W Long simply does not "draw." 32's do not sell very well. Most folks look, say "ooh, a 38," then wander off when they see the caliber. When a new 32 model comes out, aficionados all snap up one, and after those 20 or 30 are sold, the remainder sit on the shelf. Consequently Manufacturers seldom make a run of those 32's and when they do, they are usually short ones. (I spent nearly 9 years looking for a Ruger 3", SP101 in 327.)

    If you don't reload, it is expensive to shoot, and ammo is somewhat hard to find. If you do reload, having options is a good thing. Which is why I and others have been interested in the conversion. It make the gun a little more useful, it doesn't hurt anything, and in the world of custom gun work, it's pretty cheap. If you have a suitable Smith J frame, or if one's for sale at a local pawn shop for a reasonable figure, you could do worse.
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    Wayne I wore glasses since 5th grade...had cataract surgery and the new lenses ; also 20/20 now.
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    This is an interesting project, and I am looking forward to seeing more reports and discussion of it. I might would do it if I found a beat up 36 for cheap. And I have occasionally found such.

    I have no plans to do the conversion to the 30-1 I already have though, because I really wouldn't gain anything. I've seen book loads for .32 Long that exceed .32 H&R Mag factory loads. All I really want from a small frame .32 is a 90-100 grain cast bullet at 900-1000 fps, and that is easily within the capabilities of .32 S&W Long.

    I will say that unlike a lot of .32 aficionados I am a fan of .32 H&R Mag; more so than .327 Fed in fact. But I already have a couple of revolvers I can shoot it in.

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