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    I'M Baaack....... just had to obtain a NEW COMPUKER ! I was on Windows 7 and finally
    had to upgrade.....having Internet problems. ARGGG !

    On Windows 11 now.....took forever to get set up and running - I HATE it !

    Obtained two lbs of Alliant Reloader 10 for $45 / lb.....no tax or shipping.

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    Will probably load with 35 gr RL 10 to start off.

    Weather is getting "summer like" now. Going back to the Range soon.

    Have 82 rounds loaded up with RL 15 to shoot off.

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    I had an M1 Garand made of the finest Chineseum back in the early 90s. It was chambered for the .308, and it was finicky about what I could feed it. The distance that the cartridge had to jump meant that pointed bullets got stuck on the way in. Round nose bullets worked fine. I sold it to a guy.at.work when I got divorced. I have no idea how long it lasted, of if the reputed " soft steel" Chineseum held up.

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    "I had an M1 Garand made of the finest Chineseum back in the early 90s."

    Has anyone ever heard of the Chinese copying the M1 Garand ?

    They copy EVERYTHING ELSE ! It would be very interesting to see Photographic evidence of it.....

    Back Alley Pakistani copies ? I have a Pakistani Martini Enfield that is very difficult to
    distinguish from a real one ! It just HAS NO RIFLING.....a wall hanger.

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    WHOM does our Current Government represent, anyway ? !


    It sure as Heck doesn't represent ME ! How about you ?
    Seems to be just a Big Mafia run by the current set of criminals in office.
    Have we EVER been this close to losing our Country ? !

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    It was probably a Norinco M-14. It has the same basic action and looks similar to a Garand exempt for the magazine.

    Norinco makes some decent firearms and the prices on these are now similar to the Springfield Armory M-14s. There were some heat treat problems on some of the early imports but this could be fixed.

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    Which is better - a Black front sight Blade or a White one ?

    M1 Garand.

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    I would just like to ask -
    WHOM does our Current Government represent, anyway ? !


    It sure as Heck doesn't represent ME ! How about you ?
    Seems to be just a Big Mafia run by the current set of criminals in office.
    Have we EVER been this close to losing our Country ? !

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    On the line at a service rifle match youll see almost everyone smoking the front sight before the event starts. some use a lighter ( hard to get a good dark cost) sprays you get a good coat but they can have a gloss, or the gun sight smokers/miners lamps, calcium carbide and water,These give a very good coating and are a very flat black.
    White will give a glare making it hard to get the right line of white for a 6 0clock hold. even makes a center hold harder to get a consistent hold.

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    My eyesight (81+ yrs old) is making it hard to focus on the front sight, which is supposedly
    the best way to shoot all firearms.

    With my M1 Garand Iron Sights, I am finding the front blade is covering nearly the whole Bullseye
    at 50 yds, let alone 100 yds !

    I am pretty sure I need to open up the rear Peep sight hole diameter also. Reluctant to do that
    as you can't go back if that doesn't help.

    I have found that too small of a rear peep sight hole makes for a "Cobweb" pattern when sighting.
    That is on my 45-70 Quigley Sharps Peep sight. The Peep Sight is about 3.5 inches (9 cm) from my eye.
    I am assuming that each person has to finger out what is best for them by experimentation.

    I have sets of Fractional, Number and Metric DRILLS, so stepping up slowly shouldn't present any
    Difficulties - enlarging it slowly....I hope.

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    THAT M1 Garand shoots like a DREAM ! With the reduced Reloader 15 load (90% of Start Load),
    it does not ruin an old man's shoulder.
    ONLY complaint - throws the cases FORWARD about 15 feet into a mixed PILE of spent
    cartridges (at our range) making it a long search to find MY Brass in all that very similar looking Brass !

    I am making all my M1 Brass now with two RED Bands with a red Sharpie to simplify finding MY Brass.....
    Turn them on my Lathe in the Chuck and paint two bands before reloading

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    I wouldn't normally bother to do this, but at our range, spent Brass lays in a mixed bag of LOTS of Rifle
    Brass on the ground out in front of the shooting benches and I can search for mine only in the short
    time span when Targets are changed - the other shooters get pissed if I spend their time searching for
    my Brass......lol
    Us CHEAP, old, parsimonious reloaders are few and far between in these days of lots of "Disposable Income".
    I save everything...and my house looks like it !

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    I would just like to ask -
    WHOM does our Current Government represent, anyway ? !


    It sure as Heck doesn't represent ME ! How about you ?
    Seems to be just a Big Mafia run by the current set of criminals in office.
    Have we EVER been this close to losing our Country ? !

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    I'm acquiring some 3 lbs of SR 4759 privately @ $43.33 / lb locally.

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    According to Shootersreference.com , I can use this for reduced loads in my 308 M1 Garand.

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    I appreciate any comments ?

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    I would just like to ask -
    WHOM does our Current Government represent, anyway ? !


    It sure as Heck doesn't represent ME ! How about you ?
    Seems to be just a Big Mafia run by the current set of criminals in office.
    Have we EVER been this close to losing our Country ? !

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorBill View Post
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    My eyesight (81+ yrs old) is making it hard to focus on the front sight, which is supposedly
    the best way to shoot all firearms.

    With my M1 Garand Iron Sights, I am finding the front blade is covering nearly the whole Bullseye
    at 50 yds, let alone 100 yds !

    I am pretty sure I need to open up the rear Peep sight hole diameter also. Reluctant to do that
    as you can't go back if that doesn't help.



    DoctorBill
    Do a search on google for "m1 garand rear sight aperture" and you will find lots of places to purchase another aperature for your M1. eBay has a lot of them. Here is a link to a couple of sources.
    https://www.apexgunparts.com/m1garan...-usgi-nos.html
    https://www.sarcoinc.com/m1-garand-rear-sight-aperture/

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    If you are shooting a Garand at 100 yards look for some SR-1 targets that are scaled down versions of the 200 yard target used in military matches. The black center is 6 3/8 inches (or just shoot at a 6 inch black circle) and ALWAYS use a 6 o'clock hold where you can see the smallest amount of daylight between the front site and the target.

    If you notice the aperture rear site you are doing something wrong. Just look thru it and concentrate on the front site. Your brain will do the rest and it will be centered.

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    THAT is my point. Just looking thru it makes "Cobweb" patterns. It needs to have a slightly larger
    opening (hole radius). Here is somewhat as I see thru the Peep Hole.

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    It gets MUCH better if the aperture is a bit larger and the light is brighter......

    Still - THIS M1 seems to be accurate as Heck for Iron sights. The problems is my 81 yr old eyes.....

    But thanks for you comments. I appreciate the effort !

    DoctorBill

    PS - I don't know HOW to erase the Thumbnail below.....Can anyone educate me on that ?
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    I would just like to ask -
    WHOM does our Current Government represent, anyway ? !


    It sure as Heck doesn't represent ME ! How about you ?
    Seems to be just a Big Mafia run by the current set of criminals in office.
    Have we EVER been this close to losing our Country ? !

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    My eyes are not as good as they used to be either......But you were trying to target a 3 inch white circle on a 10 inch light tan background which is not easy. Try a BLACK 6 inch target at 100 and give it a 6:00 hold. If you are shooting at 50 yards start with a 3 inch black target and if you are having a hard time seeing it go to 4 inches. Even with your fuzzy simulated picture you should hit the target.

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    I just got home from the range about two hours ago. Checked out my ladder of TAC in the Garand hobby misadventure. Actually, 45 grains up of TAC under 155 Nosler worked fine and printed about the same POI as IMR4064 and N135 loads I've been using for years.
    Wearing my regular glasses I normally do when shooting or driving, in full sunlight the black post was hard to see in contrast to the black bull. The post just disappeared against the background and I couldn't focus on it. I switched to a red center bull on Dirty Bird targets and the post stood out. Old eyes and glasses - no need to elaborate for the mature members.

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    Couple of comments......

    1. It is NOW about 100° out at the range (maybe higher) and THIS is what
    is posted on the Range Website now......
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ID:	328643.......... Fire Danger is HIGH in this heat !

    Best thing. >100° DRY HEAT kills people (An OLD quote -"Only Mad Dogs and Englishmen go out" in such heat - Noel Coward).

    This is dry, hot, Pine Forest and Dead Grass land around the Shooting Range with Houses embedded within it.
    Wind also.....makes for a huge potential Wildfire to happen. We get MANY here in Northern WA State !

    2. I just bought 3 lbs of IMR sr-4759 powder (Hodgden) and will try 21 gr (start load) for Shoulder Mercy.

    3. Are there webs sites showing HOW to disassemble the M1 rear site to replace that Peep hole ?
    . . JUST ORDERED The Peep Sight replacement - sold for $10 - from SARCO.

    Das ist jetzt alles . . . . Eso es todo por ahora. . . . no hay más


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    I would just like to ask -
    WHOM does our Current Government represent, anyway ? !


    It sure as Heck doesn't represent ME ! How about you ?
    Seems to be just a Big Mafia run by the current set of criminals in office.
    Have we EVER been this close to losing our Country ? !

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorBill View Post
    Couple of comments......

    1. It is NOW about 100° out at the range (maybe higher) and THIS is what
    is posted on the Range Website now......
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    Best thing. >100° DRY HEAT kills people (An OLD quote -"Only Mad Dogs and Englishmen go out" in such heat - Noel Coward).

    This is dry, hot, Pine Forest and Dead Grass land around the Shooting Range with Houses embedded within it.
    Wind also.....makes for a huge potential Wildfire to happen. We get MANY here in Northern WA State !

    2. I just bought 3 lbs of IMR sr-4759 powder (Hodgden) and will try 21 gr (start load) for Shoulder Mercy.

    3. Are there webs sites showing HOW to disassemble the M1 rear site to replace that Peep hole ?
    . . JUST ORDERED The Peep Sight replacement - sold for $10 - from SARCO.

    Das ist jetzt alles . . . . Eso es todo por ahora. . . . no hay más


    DoctorBill
    1. I remember living in Cheney and those hot and dry days with a high fire danger.

    3. Here is a link to a youtube video on how to install the sight.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Phftk97rYI

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    Thank you rjsumpter ! Seems quite straightforward !

    Yes....Fire Season here is rather scary having so many Pine and Wheat Fields all dry as a bone
    in late summer and the wind usually gets up to 10 to 30 mph ! Gets on the National News.
    Then we get the SMOKE....so bad sometimes it is hard to breathe.

    My Peep sight is just slightly larger than 0.0070 Inch (#50 drill fits / #49 does NOT).

    I will await the replacement Rear Peep Sight from SARCO to enlarge the hole.

    BTW - the rear Peep Sight Slide in MY M1 rattles around in ALL FOUR DIMENSIONS !
    Tell me that THAT is abnormal ! If not - how does one make it tighter ? Holey Moley !

    Had I not measured the hole diameter with Number Drills, I would have never dreamed the
    Rear Sight Aperture is sloppy loose
    .....

    I now wonder how this has affected my shooting, which I attributed to my old eyes.

    DoctorBill
    I would just like to ask -
    WHOM does our Current Government represent, anyway ? !


    It sure as Heck doesn't represent ME ! How about you ?
    Seems to be just a Big Mafia run by the current set of criminals in office.
    Have we EVER been this close to losing our Country ? !

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    Thank you rjsumpter ! Seems quite straightforward !

    Yes....Fire Season here is rather scary having so many Pine and Wheat Fields all dry as a bone
    in late summer and the wind usually gets up to 10 to 30 mph ! Gets on the National News.
    Then we get the SMOKE....so bad sometimes it is hard to breathe.

    My Peep sight is just slightly larger than 0.0070 Inch (#50 drill fits / #49 does NOT).

    I will await the replacement Rear Peep Sight from SARCO to enlarge the hole.

    BTW - the rear Peep Sight in MY M1 rattles around in ALL FOUR DIMENSIONS !
    Tell me that THAT is abnormal ! If not - how does one make it tighter ? Holey Moley !

    Had I not measured the hole diameter with Number Drills, I would have never dreamed the
    Rear Sight Aperture is sloppy loose.....


    I now wonder how this has affected my shooting, which I attributed to my old eyes.

    DoctorBill
    I would just like to ask -
    WHOM does our Current Government represent, anyway ? !


    It sure as Heck doesn't represent ME ! How about you ?
    Seems to be just a Big Mafia run by the current set of criminals in office.
    Have we EVER been this close to losing our Country ? !

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorBill View Post
    .My Peep sight is just slightly larger than 0.0070 Inch (#50 drill fits / #49 does NOT).

    I will await the replacement Rear Peep Sight from SARCO to enlarge the hole.

    BTW - the rear Peep Sight in MY M1 rattles around in ALL FOUR DIMENSIONS !
    Tell me that THAT is abnormal ! If not - how does one make it tighter ? Holey Moley !

    Had I not measured the hole diameter with Number Drills, I would have never dreamed the
    Rear Sight Aperture is sloppy loose.....


    DoctorBill
    You probably have a smaller National Match target aperture. The standard Garand aperture is much larger and you will not have to drill it out more.

    The rear site is not supposed to wiggle or move and the elevation and windage knobs should be firm with distinct clicks. Tighten the screw on the right till it takes a good bit of effort to move the windage knob. The Garand chamber brush accessory has the correct bit for tightening the screw head with the pinion in between but you can figure out other ways to tighten it.

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    Interesting link on how to tighten your sight.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwtOMAkDnww

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    Thank you, Delkal and rgsumpter ! I had a chuckle when he said, "...this is not a Man Hole Cover or a Horse Shoe..." !
    I can now see that this loose Sight "Rack" is pretty much common to the M1 Garand.... How many Soldiers missed
    the enemy because of THAT ! ?


    His solution is "Metal" (filled) epoxy...!
    Being a retired PhD Chemist, myself.....I love Metal Reinforced EPOXY ! I purchased powdered Iron, Copper, and Aluminum on
    E-Bay - and mix up my own ! Use SLOW setting Epoxy, IF YOU CAN FIND IT. Allows the Epoxy enough TIME to bind to the substrate MUCH BETTER and allows bubbles the time to rise to the surface. MIX the living heck out of it !
    If not mixed very well, Epoxy is pretty much short lived and useless.
    SOAK for a day in ACETONE to UnGlue stuff !

    The powdered METAL keeps Ultraviolet Light from destroying the polymer ! UV in sunlight and Fluorescent Light wreaks
    havoc on ALL polymers (including Rubber Bands). THAT is why polyethylene milk and storage bottles get hard and crumble
    over time. Rubber bands go to heck from UV and Oxygen. Carbon or Metal Filler stops the light from
    penetrating (as in tires).
    . . White Titanium Dioxide filler works in everything - including food !

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    For a release agent, you could use Silicone Oil (out of a Silicone Spray Can), Imperial "Sizing Die Wax", or any soft wax
    and a Q-Tip.

    I Googled "standard M1 Garand Peep Sight Aperture" and the first site that came up was:
    https://www.fulton-armory.com/faqs/M...MRearSight.htm

    That information is for "National Match" sights. 0.0595 Inch Dia is National Match (#53 Drill) . Mine is 0.07+ inch,
    or #50 (or about 1.8mm).

    Further looking got this:
    https://www.thearmorylife.com/evolut...nd-rear-sight/
    The Evolution of the M1 Garand sights.....but I CANNOT find the Nominal Designed Aperture out of the Factory !

    The poor GI's had to use that wiggle worm sight as is !

    DoctorBill

    PS - Powdered Aluminum works best for me. BEWARE - powdered Aluminum gets into everything, DON'T breath it, AND
    it is 1/2 of THERMITE (other part is RUST [Iron Oxide] - so it is nasty flammable with oxidizers.
    I save my Aluminum Lathe "swarf". Also the Iron swarf which if made wet rusts quickly into Iron Oxide.
    Mix roughly 40% Al powder to 60% Iron Oxide. Ignite with a very hot flame - stand back quickly.
    Is the main ingredient in Incendiary Bombs. Used to Weld Train Rails together. Spiking a Cannon too.
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    Last edited by DoctorBill; 07-20-2024 at 03:57 PM.
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    WHOM does our Current Government represent, anyway ? !


    It sure as Heck doesn't represent ME ! How about you ?
    Seems to be just a Big Mafia run by the current set of criminals in office.
    Have we EVER been this close to losing our Country ? !

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