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Thread: FFL question on a model 1863 falling block rifle

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtball View Post
    The key words in to OP are "Reproduction" and "Breech Loader", ANY Agent yoy talk to is going to say YES it mst be shipped to an FFL.

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    No, percussion sharps rifles originals or reproduction do not require an FFL transfer per federal requirements. States may have different requirement for within their own state and company are free to set an FFL requirement.
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    I want to say a BIG thank you to all for such good responses to my OP. I will do some checking locally to see what the FFL says where I usually shop. I do plan on purchasing a good reproduction. I personally am a patient person but given my age (78) I can't afford the time to wait for the Shiloh Sharps folks t make me one. There are a few on the big auction site that have some listed and that is probably the route I will go. I have a couple of C. Sharps ( a falling block in 45-120, & an 1874 reproduction in 45-70 ). Too bad Sharps is not making them any more. I will want a Shiloh if I can swing it. When ordered from them, they are the same price as an 1874 and that seems excessive to me. I am planning to devote some time looking for a good used one somewhere which should save me some bucks. At the moment it appears that my location (Missouri) will not require an FFL, but I will do some more checking first because I can't afford not to be legal. I'm looking forward to making the paper cartridges for some odd reason. I will probably try for a 45 caliber if I can.
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    Separate ignition system. Not a firearm under Federal law.

    That's why retailers can ship them directly to your house unless you live in a state who's political systems are rigged by the Feudalist lords who own those states.

    If you can't have a cap and ball shipped to your door, you can't have a paper cartridge Sharps delivered to your door.
    If the dealer you're buying from cannot ship to your door then either fork over the money to the FFL or move to a state who's election system isn't rigged or if you are free, find a dealer selling a muzzleloader also in a free state.

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    Just for grins, here is a firing replica Sharps carbine on gunbroker; if yo look, an ffl tranfer is not required (at the federal level). They are not inexpensive, but Petersoli is a good gun.

    https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1043528787

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    In the state of Louisiana , cap and ball guns , revolvers and rifles are not considered "firearms". I recently ordered an 1863 Police Pocket Colt revolver reproduction from IMA - USA and it was delivered to me at my house , no FFL or background check required . They also had the percussion 1863 Sharps Carbine that I would love to have .
    I only had to sign a form that it was legal for me to own this firearm , and I am .

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    You need to be aware of the laws in your own state. Some states do treat them just like modern firearms, even if federal law does not.

    This happened in New Jersey about 10 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schutzen-jager View Post
    jn many states like mine even post 1898 non cartridge arms require state licensing, background checks, + transaction must go thru licensed dealers -
    In New Jersey, a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun is in the same class as an AK-47. Background check, waiting period, etc, because it has a "magazine capacity" like a machine gun. No stopping anti-gunners when they're in control. (But, hey, we've GOTTA stop all those mass shootings with BB guns, now, don't we??) Nuckin' futz!
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    Quote Originally Posted by John in PA View Post
    In New Jersey, a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun is in the same class as an AK-47. Background check, waiting period, etc, because it has a "magazine capacity" like a machine gun. No stopping anti-gunners when they're in control. (But, hey, we've GOTTA stop all those mass shootings with BB guns, now, don't we??) Nuckin' futz!
    fwiw - in the past all bb + air guns were forbidden to possess at all in NJ- pea shooters, blowguns, + slingshots still are !
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    Quote Originally Posted by schutzen-jager View Post
    fwiw - in the past all bb + air guns were forbidden to possess at all in NJ- pea shooters, blowguns, + slingshots still are !
    https://airgunlaws.com/new-jersey-airgun-laws/

    https://nj1015.com/bb-and-pellet-gun-laws-new-jersey/
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    state law trumps Fed. you might check with your LGS, they do this every day = DO NOT ASSUME IT'S LEGAL because you read it on the net.

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    Nj 2c39-3 - paragraph e

    e. Certain weapons. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any gravity knife, switchblade knife, dagger, dirk, stiletto, billy, blackjack, metal knuckle, sandclub, slingshot, cestus or similar leather band studded with metal filings or razor blades imbedded in wood, ballistic knife, without any explainable lawful purpose, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.
    never pick a fight with an old man - if he is too old to fight he will just kill you -
    in this current crisis our government is not the solution , it is the problem ! -

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    Quote Originally Posted by schutzen-jager View Post
    Nj 2c39-3 - paragraph e

    e. Certain weapons. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any gravity knife, switchblade knife, dagger, dirk, stiletto, billy, blackjack, metal knuckle, sandclub, slingshot, cestus or similar leather band studded with metal filings or razor blades imbedded in wood, ballistic knife, without any explainable lawful purpose, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.
    Does this apply to Cornpop as well? He's one bad dude.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by schutzen-jager View Post
    not true in many states - here + in some other areas if it takes any cartridge still available it must go thru a licensed dealer - even civil war era .22 revolvers are classified as modern firearms as are all post 1898 non cartridge weapons - state + local laws can be stricter than federal law, but they cannot conflict with them -
    Where do you live that your state law prevents any individual from directly purchasing a firearm made prior to 1898 and classified by federal law as an antique?

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    New Jersey is only one of several states that have this regulation -
    nj2c39 antique definition - state laws can always be stricter than any federal law as long as they do not conflict with them - even civil war era .22 revolvers require same licensing to posses as any modern handgun -

    NJ 2c39 quote -

    What is Considered an Antique Firearm in NJ?
    Under New Jersey law, an antique firearm is non-operational, does not fire ammunition available today, or was made before 1898. According to N.J.S.A. 2C:39-1, it is also a handgun, shotgun, or rifle that “does not fire fixed ammunition regardless of the date of manufacture” and is owned as historical memorabilia or as a “curiosity” or “ornament.”
    never pick a fight with an old man - if he is too old to fight he will just kill you -
    in this current crisis our government is not the solution , it is the problem ! -

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