Shooter’s World Blackout powder in 30-06?

[Silvercreek Farmer]

Anyone tried it? We use 2400 to push the Lee 170 to 1850 fps, but it has become prohibitively expensive, so I am looking for an alternative.

[MT Gianni]

Bartletts has WC 872 for $100 8 lb jug. You have shipping and hazmat but there are plenty of loads on Castpics.

[Winger Ed.]

I use a cast 190 with 'The Load' of Red Dot in my Rem700 .30-06 with good results.

I'd encourage doing a search and read up on it.

[Silvercreek Farmer]

Bartletts has WC 872 for $100 8 lb jug. You have shipping and hazmat but there are plenty of loads on Castpics.

Thanks, I’ve seen that, but when you figure 50-60 grains per shot vs 20-25 of a faster powder, the economy disappears quickly. Also don’t want to mess with duplex loads and I don’t have any magnum primers on hand.

[Silvercreek Farmer]

I use a cast 190 with 'The Load' of Red Dot in my Rem700 .30-06 with good results.

I'd encourage doing a search and read up on it.

We’ve shot thousands of those with great results! Just like a bit more velocity for wind and stretching our range out.

[Winger Ed.]

Oh. With pressure curves & all, that sort of gets ya back to higher weights of the rifle powders.

When I found myself doing 99% of my shooting on the rifle range, or just at paper-
I switched away from the 30-ish grain loads of rifle powders.

If I ever get back to seeking out helpless wild life to slaughter,
I still have a stash of Sierra Game Kings loaded up.

[P Flados]

For something like this, Quickload can be useful, but I do not trust it to be "accurate" especially with small charges in long barrels. Also some of the powders in the table may be completely unsuitable for this kind of "non-standard" service.

Looking at the data, SW BO is a good bit slower than 2400. This is ok if you have a reason to reduce chamber pressure, but note that muzzle pressure and required charge go up a good bit. I would tend to go the other direction. I included a handful of powders that look interesting to me. Of the SW powders, Heavy Pistol is probably closer to 2400.

Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .309, 170, LEE C309-170-F
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.140 inch = 79.76 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hodgdon Universal                   49.2     18.0     1.17    1850   100.0    39479    3603   1.379
Alliant UNIQUE                      47.5     17.5     1.13    1850   100.0    36104    3686   1.418
Alliant HERCO                       51.0     18.3     1.18    1850   100.0    34668    3735   1.440
Accurate No.5                       31.4     18.5     1.20    1850   100.0    31133    3834   1.484
Shooters World Auto Pistol          31.4     18.5     1.20    1850   100.0    31118    3835   1.484
Accurate No.7                       32.9     20.2     1.31    1850   100.0    25791    4134   1.604
Accurate No.9                       35.7     21.6     1.40    1850   100.0    23961    4326   1.647
Shooters World Heavy Pistol         35.3     21.6     1.40    1850   100.0    23961    4326   1.647
Alliant 2400                        38.3     20.7     1.34    1850   100.0    22561    4519   1.694
Shooters World Blackout             42.5     25.3     1.64    1850    97.8    19906    5371   1.767

[Coopaloop86]

I’ve used it to great success with the Lee 170 in 30-30. Don’t remember the charge off hand but the accuracy was there.

[Silvercreek Farmer]

I’ve used it to great success with the Lee 170 in 30-30. Don’t remember the charge off hand but the accuracy was there.

Thanks.

[Silvercreek Farmer]

For something like this, Quickload can be useful, but I do not trust it to be "accurate" especially with small charges in long barrels. Also some of the powders in the table may be completely unsuitable for this kind of "non-standard" service.

Looking at the data, SW BO is a good bit slower than 2400. This is ok if you have a reason to reduce chamber pressure, but note that muzzle pressure and required charge go up a good bit. I would tend to go the other direction. I included a handful of powders that look interesting to me. Of the SW powders, Heavy Pistol is probably closer to 2400.

Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .309, 170, LEE C309-170-F
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.140 inch = 79.76 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hodgdon Universal                   49.2     18.0     1.17    1850   100.0    39479    3603   1.379
Alliant UNIQUE                      47.5     17.5     1.13    1850   100.0    36104    3686   1.418
Alliant HERCO                       51.0     18.3     1.18    1850   100.0    34668    3735   1.440
Accurate No.5                       31.4     18.5     1.20    1850   100.0    31133    3834   1.484
Shooters World Auto Pistol          31.4     18.5     1.20    1850   100.0    31118    3835   1.484
Accurate No.7                       32.9     20.2     1.31    1850   100.0    25791    4134   1.604
Accurate No.9                       35.7     21.6     1.40    1850   100.0    23961    4326   1.647
Shooters World Heavy Pistol         35.3     21.6     1.40    1850   100.0    23961    4326   1.647
Alliant 2400                        38.3     20.7     1.34    1850   100.0    22561    4519   1.694
Shooters World Blackout             42.5     25.3     1.64    1850    97.8    19906    5371   1.767

Thanks! Quickload is mighty close on the 2400 charge!

[405grain]

Shooters World Blackout says right on the label that it's similar to AA1680. So long as you start low and work up the loads you could probably use 1680 data. However, when using any "substitute" powders, when approaching top loads all bets are off.