The Rugers use the same platform for both, or just a larger bore for the 454 or a beefier frame/barrel ?
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The Rugers use the same platform for both, or just a larger bore for the 454 or a beefier frame/barrel ?
If my faded memory is correct,, I think the .480 & the .454 used a different stainless alloy for them over the normal production Blackhawks.
Carpenter Steel
Got a .22 .30 .32 .357 .38 .40 .41 .44 .45 .480 or .500 S&W cylinder that needs throats honed? 9mm, 10mm/40S&W, 45 ACP pistol barrel that won't "plunk" your handloads? 480 Ruger or 475 Linebaugh cylinder that needs the "step" reamed to 6° 30min chamfer? Click here to send me a PM You can also find me on Facebook Click Here.
Just wondering how much more a 454 has in ballistics, velocity and energy verses a 44 mag.. how much more pressure too.
This is from Underwood Ammo:
This ammo is for cartridge size .44 Remington Magnum.
The bullet is made from Lead.
The diameter (caliber) of this bullet is 0.429.
This bullet weighs 305 grains.
This bullet leaves the barrel at 1325 feet per second.
The ammo case is made from Nickel Plated Brass.
This ammo is a proven round for hunting.
The bullet in this product does contain lead.
This round is designed to be supersonic and travels faster than the speed of sound.
The muzzle energy of this ammo is 1189 ft lbs.
This ammo is for cartridge size .454 Casull.
The bullet is made from Lead.
The diameter (caliber) of this bullet is 0.452.
This bullet weighs 360 grains.
This bullet leaves the barrel at 1425 feet per second.
The ammo case is made from Nickel Plated Brass.
This ammo is a proven round for hunting.
The bullet in this product does contain lead.
This round is designed to be supersonic and travels faster than the speed of sound.
The muzzle energy of this ammo is 1623 ft lbs.
This is listed as handgun ammo. I use it in a carbine and get a little more velocity.
I don't shoot enough of it to justify reloading. Good stuff.
Last edited by Butler Ford; 12-30-2023 at 06:31 AM.
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Go to Wikipedia and look up those two calibers you will find plenty of information.Originally Posted by castmiester
Got a .22 .30 .32 .357 .38 .40 .41 .44 .45 .480 or .500 S&W cylinder that needs throats honed? 9mm, 10mm/40S&W, 45 ACP pistol barrel that won't "plunk" your handloads? 480 Ruger or 475 Linebaugh cylinder that needs the "step" reamed to 6° 30min chamfer? Click here to send me a PM You can also find me on Facebook Click Here.
Ballistics tables are easily located on line.
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I don't see a difference, yes. I sorry !
Last edited by castmiester; 12-30-2023 at 01:55 PM.
The biggest difference is the steel they use not really something the naked eye sees but definitely a huge deal.
difference from cartridge to cartridge. 340 to 360 in bullet weight and .003 diameter, side by side cases doesn't impress me.
But Wow.. there is a difference. 454 1813 Ft lbs. 300 grain bullet verse the 44 300 bullet 1041..
great day ! gotta be the powder.
Last edited by castmiester; 12-30-2023 at 01:56 PM.
Most sources use SAAMI specs...which is fine if you plan to buy factory ammo.
I tend to look at and study the Data in 'good' reloading manuals when I embark on such a quest.
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going there shortly
Reading info re the steel
https://www.carpentertechnology.com/...rospace-alloys
Lists pressure, tensile strength, proof load pressures.
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The .454 Casull is listed as having both a 60,000 and 65,000 PSI max chamber pressure, depending on source. Some say that actual real-world ammo is loaded to 55,000 PSI. The .44 Magnum has a max chamber pressure of 35,000 PSI. The .480 Ruger has a max chamber pressure of 48,000 PSI.
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Were Super Blackhawks cylinders always long enough for 454 Casull?
Tim
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I have both and prefer the 44 Rem Mag versus the 454 Casull.
I do believe so. I'd have to get some measurements,, but I'm pretty sure they are.
The 454 Casull case is only 0.098" (1/10") longer than the 44 Rem Mag and 45 Colt cases. The Blackhawk cylinder is sufficiently long.
Am I correct that the original Super Blackhawk was only chambered in .44 Mag (and maybe .45 Colt)? Why would they make the cylinder longer than necessary? Is the cylinder on a Blackhawk a smaller diameter than the cylinder on a Super Blackhawk?
Tim
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The pen is mightier than the sword - Edward Bulwer-Lytton
The tongue is mightier than the blade - Euripides
No, the cylinders are the same diameter and length. You can sometimes drop a 454 round into a 45 Colt cylinder but you wouldn't want to actually shoot it. Unless you just want to KB the gun with you holding it.
Got a .22 .30 .32 .357 .38 .40 .41 .44 .45 .480 or .500 S&W cylinder that needs throats honed? 9mm, 10mm/40S&W, 45 ACP pistol barrel that won't "plunk" your handloads? 480 Ruger or 475 Linebaugh cylinder that needs the "step" reamed to 6° 30min chamfer? Click here to send me a PM You can also find me on Facebook Click Here.
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