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    Quote Originally Posted by waksupi View Post
    I get those fliers on occasion, and I'm pretty sure they are caused by voids. It really shows up shooting the smoothbore. The balls are big enough to see in flight when light conditions are right Some of them have an extreme curve in flight.
    I am guessing the only way to avoid that is to weigh every ball? I inspect them after they are cast, to look for lines, wrinkles, dents and dings. I want them to be perfectly smooth except for the Sprue. I am not sure why, but I have always preferred the cast ball to the swagged commercial ones. At times I had to use commercial ones, and they shot well, it just didn’t and still doesn’t feel right loading a store bought ball into a muzzleloader.

    I didn’t see any tree rats yesterday morning. They didn’t com out until later when it warmed up and I was busy then. It was 15į F yesterday morning at 5:00 when I checked the thermometer. It didn’t get above freezing here in the valley until about 9:00 and that is when I had to start other things. Maybe this afternoon I will get a couple or some rabbits. I will find away to post pictures soon.
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    After I cast the lead balls.
    I tumble them in my ball mill.
    If there are any voids or defects , they show up very quickly.
    Tumbling rounds off the sprue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boerrancher View Post
    I am guessing the only way to avoid that is to weigh every ball? I inspect them after they are cast, to look for lines, wrinkles, dents and dings. I want them to be perfectly smooth except for the Sprue. I am not sure why, but I have always preferred the cast ball to the swagged commercial ones. At times I had to use commercial ones, and they shot well, it just didnít and still doesnít feel right loading a store bought ball into a muzzleloader.

    I didnít see any tree rats yesterday morning. They didnít com out until later when it warmed up and I was busy then. It was 15į F yesterday morning at 5:00 when I checked the thermometer. It didnít get above freezing here in the valley until about 9:00 and that is when I had to start other things. Maybe this afternoon I will get a couple or some rabbits. I will find away to post pictures soon.
    For serious competition, I always weigh the balls. For plinking, I just use them as the come.
    The solid soft lead bullet is undoubtably the best and most satisfactory expanding bullet that has ever been designed. It invariably mushrooms perfectly, and never breaks up. With the metal base that is essential for velocities of 2000 f.s. and upwards to protect the naked base, these metal-based soft lead bullets are splendid.
    John Taylor - "African Rifles and Cartridges"

    Forget everything you know about loading jacketed bullets. This is a whole new ball game!


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    One other stupid question Ric and I will quit bothering you… for awhile anyway. I have 3 flint locks now and all three of them the touch hole is located differently. On the old trade gun it is right at the bottom of the pan, on the 50 cal it is roughly 1/16th of an inch above the pan, and on the new 36 cal it is 3/32nds of an inch above the bottom of the pan. They all seem to work fine, the 36 is a bit problematic if you don’t prime it next to the touch hole, and the Trade gun is problematic if you over prime it. The 50 needs to be primed light like the trade gun but more on the right of the pan. What is the desired position of the touch hole?
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    I don't do that many flinters.
    But I found that I get better function if the vent hole is about half way up to the top of the pan , depending on the depth of the pan.
    I had one flinter , that the hole was at the bottom of the pan.
    I had lots of misfires.
    So I drilled the hole a little higher and tapped it for a threaded liner.
    It made it work so much better.
    There is another option too.
    You can grind a little off the bottom of the pan to get a little more depth
    Last edited by LAGS; 11-30-2023 at 09:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGS View Post
    I don't do that many flinters.
    But I found that I get better function if the vent hole is about half way up to the top of the pan , depending on the depth of the pan.
    I had one flinter , that the hole was at the bottom of the pan.
    I had lots of misfires.
    So I drilled the hole a little higher and tapped it for a threaded liner.
    It made it work so much better.
    There is another option too.
    You can grind a little off the bottom of the pan to get a little more depth
    I don’t seem to be getting a lot of misfirires as long as I fill the pan the way the gun likes it to be filled. The highest one is the one I just built, and it is about halfway up the pan.
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    I have always put my vents at the sunset position, split by the top of the pan. Never had any problem with consistent ignition with a half pan or less of prime.
    The solid soft lead bullet is undoubtably the best and most satisfactory expanding bullet that has ever been designed. It invariably mushrooms perfectly, and never breaks up. With the metal base that is essential for velocities of 2000 f.s. and upwards to protect the naked base, these metal-based soft lead bullets are splendid.
    John Taylor - "African Rifles and Cartridges"

    Forget everything you know about loading jacketed bullets. This is a whole new ball game!


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    I wish I could get photos to upload to here from my phone. I went squirrel hunting two days ago with the new 36 and its first kill was a coyote that that was hunting squirrels as well. Then after things settled down from the coyote I managed to get close enough to get a squirrel. I’m rather impressed that a rib shot didn’t destroy it like I thought might happen. On the way back to the house, I jumped a feral hog and while it was trying to decide whether to charge me or run away I sent a round ball right over its head and splintered a sapling about the diameter of a nickel. That made up his mind to run. I’ve hunted pigs enough to know they can take a lot of lead to the ribs before going down, so I alway try for head shots between the eye and ear if they are broad side or between the eyes if they’re looking at me. This one was a bit broad side so I could have notched its ear possibly. I dang sure wasn’t gonna shoot it in the ribs with a 36 cal Muzzleloader, had I been deer hunting with my 50, that’s a whole other ball game. A few years back I hammered one 4 times with a 158 gr RNFP cast, out of a 357 Marlin 1894C, behind the front shoulder. All four shots I could cover with the bottom of a Campbell’s soup can, and the hog still ran 100 yds or more before going down. So a .350 dia round ball that weighs 63 grs is just gonna make a pig very pissed off.
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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check