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    357 and Red Dot

    Hey there folks. I am struggling with finding a Red Dot load for 357 Magnum. My books have nothing. I realize Iím prolly not going to achieve top velocities, just looking for a little warmer loads than my 2.8 grains of Red Dot in 38 Special! Iíll be shooting a 155 grain boolit. These will be for a Ruger Security Six and a Henry Big Boy.

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    For my Security Six and 1894C it's had to beat Red Dot/Promo 5.0 gr. under any boolit 120 ~ 160 gr. Look up Skeeter Skelton articles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed_Shot View Post
    For my Security Six and 1894C it's had to beat Red Dot/Promo 5.0 gr. under any boolit 120 ~ 160 gr. Look up Skeeter Skelton articles.
    What he said. For an even milder load a 158 grain boolit with 4.5 of red dot/promo has worked well for me.
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    Thank you gents! I was thinking 4.5 to 4.8 was the range I should be in, but could not confirm it. Thank you for sharing experience and the link with data!

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    +1 to what Ed said. I shot several thousand 358-477 boolits over 5.0 Red Dot through various .357 revolvers. Accurate and with enough extra oomph to simulate a stout +p load.
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    The Security Sixes have, from what I've read, a tendency to shoot loose with a steady diet of 357. With a 4.5-5.0 grain load of Red Dot, do I need to worry? This is my first 357, if you couldn't tell.

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    My old (1995) Alliant handout lists 5.5 gr under a 158 LSWC as max.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sigep1764 View Post
    The Security Sixes have, from what I've read, a tendency to shoot loose with a steady diet of 357. With a 4.5-5.0 grain load of Red Dot, do I need to worry? This is my first 357, if you couldn't tell.
    Don't know where you read that but the Rugers stood up to the U.S. Customs and INS testing much better than the K-frame S&W"s did. They may be a smidge weaker than the GP 100's, but you'd have to shoot a wheel barrow full of ammo to prove it. I had the opportunity once to examine a 6" Stainless Security Six that had been in service at an indoor range for over three years. The forcing cone had been worn smooth, and there was some end shake, but that was after lord only knows how many thousands of rounds. You will likely run low on primers, powder and money before you wear out that gun.
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    one of Skeeter Skelton's favorite .357 loads was 5.0 grs. red dot in .38 spec. cases under as 158gr, gc lead wad cutter - shot many in my 4" security six very accurately with no ill effects or wear ever -
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    Loaded up 50 at 4.8 grains and 50 at 5 grains! Thanks folks!

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    From one of my older manuals with lots of Red Dot loads .
    357 Magnum - 155 gr. cast SWC w/ GC (Lyman #358156)

    start load 5.0 grs. Red Dot @ 992 fps .

    Maximum Load - 5.7 grs. Red Dot @ 1095 fps .

    My pet load for my Ruger Blackhawk 357 magnum
    is 5.3 grs. Red Dot @ 1043 fps with the 155 gr. boolit w/ GC and sized .357" .
    These are loaded in 357 magnum cases and crimped in the upper crimp groove .
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    What I consider the last year of the "great" reloading manuals put out by Alliant. The 2005 Alliant reloading manual.
    http://www.castpics.net/LoadData/Fre...liant_2005.pdf

    The next manual they put out (2008) used limited data/limited powder, only speer bullets & no pressure reports for max loads.

    That 2005 manual will have reddot loads for the 357mag.

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    My best Red Dot load for .357mag hands down was 4.6 grains of Red Dot under a round nose 158 gr cast, no gas check. Lubed with BLL and with CCI primers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sigep1764 View Post
    The Security Sixes have, from what I've read, a tendency to shoot loose with a steady diet of 357. With a 4.5-5.0 grain load of Red Dot, do I need to worry? This is my first 357, if you couldn't tell.
    Have to agree with rintinglen. That is a myth. The Security Six is basically a double action 357 BH frame and is stout as hades. Mine has had a lot of full 35,000 psi (psi measured; 14.5 gr 2400 under a 358156) magnum loads through it over the years and has yet to show any sign of loosening up. It still locks up tight as when new. Using 5 gr of RD under a 150 - 160 gr bullet will not phase the Security Six.
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Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check