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Thread: Older Cap and Ball Italian Repro Maker

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    Older Cap and Ball Italian Repro Maker

    Hello all. I purchased a brass framed 51 navy yesterday in a box set and can't seem to figure out who made this gun. I took pictures of the stamps and markings and hope that someone else knows more about it than I do. Thanks

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    Looks like an older Pietta. Could also be a Armi San Palo

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    Are there any markings under loading lever near rear on barrel bottom? I would also suspect it being San Palo.

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    Nope, no markings at all under the loading lever.

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    It may have come from a small Italian maker - look here for what I'm referring to:

    http://www.capandballrevolvers.com/makers-and-importers
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    Thank you so much for that link! According to the link mine has the same stamping on the cylinder and the frame as the armi San marco. The little stamp with the pn under it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snipin101 View Post
    Thank you so much for that link! According to the link mine has the same stamping on the cylinder and the frame as the armi San marco. The little stamp with the pn under it.

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    Yup like I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snipin101 View Post
    Thank you so much for that link!

    You're welcome (glad I could help)......
    Now I lay me down to sleep
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    If I awake, and you're inside
    The coroner's van is your next ride

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    If that's an XX7 on the frame, it was made in 1971.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battis View Post
    If that's an XX7 on the frame, it was made in 1971.
    Where the Roman numeral for one??

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    Looks like my Navy Arms box.

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    mine too, mine is a Navy Arms 36 cal, made in the early '60's

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    Quote Originally Posted by armoredman View Post
    Looks like my Navy Arms box.
    Isn't Navy Arms just a distributor? I don't believe they manufacture guns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TD1886 View Post
    Isn't Navy Arms just a distributor? I don't believe they manufacture guns?
    I think you correct (kind of) they had stuff made to order by the Italians .

    Do anybody think the Colt markings on this gun were overstamped by an owner? or came from the factory like it? -- a couple of places it looks like could be done later????

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    Hello snipin101,

    I thought Armi San Marco was the only manufacture to use the "COLT'S PATENT" on their firearms.
    They were sued by Colt for doing so, even though they did manufacture frames for Colt.

    AntiqueSledMan.

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    Thanks for all the info. I'm sure it's an Armi San Marco. Either way it locks up good and has very little cylinder end play. Hoping I get the chance this weekend to burn some powder in it.

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    "Either way it locks up good and has very little cylinder end play" Brass frame, I know you know to stay on the light side of things to help it stay there for a while longer.

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    Oh yeah, I will stay at 15 gr max.

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    I don't know where you are in the Black powder revolver game and everybody will have or has there own proven tactics and witches brews. Some time ago I became a real fan of Lucas Red and Tacky grease that is used on the arbor, rear of cylinder, bolt notches on cylinder and a smear over bolt hole. I am very happy with what I have seen over that period of time, worth a try?

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