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    Quote Originally Posted by Good Cheer View Post
    Speaking of the crooked serpent, Christ's heel and such things, many years ago I came to understand that the story of Messiah is shown in the constellations as viewed from Earth and is sculpted into the face of the planet for this time.
    About thirty years ago I sat down with my better 2/3's with the world atlas opened to the two page spread of the Mideast and showed it to her. We stared at each other wide eyed across the dinner table with goose bumps as we felt the spirit moving through the room. Like "WOW did you feel that?"!
    By the way, this really is leading me to wonder what other signs God will give us including that in the heavens of the return of Christ. We'll see!


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    Bullinger rocks. His Companion Bible is awesome.

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    Judgement...
    I kinda bumped into Richard Coombes' work concerning America-Babylon.
    He's certainly done his homework.

    https://archive.org/details/coombs-america-the-babylon

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    There's an old video from Coombes available...

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/QAzQKCE8ZkG8/

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    Did anybody notice?
    People have been peeing on the streets of New York
    so our Lord flushed His big toilet.

    A day of rain in NYC stopped the roads, trains, airports, 8" was a disaster.
    What would they do if they had rain for two days? Or forty?
    Everybody knows the sea is rising. Soon?
    Maybe this winter eight inches of rain would make eight feet of snow.
    God's warning to NYC.
    He made this world, though some deny Him.

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    As relating to judgement and judged on what basis...
    Was Dr. Heiser correct? Where scripture is commonly rendered in English as saying we were made in their image, is the correct meaning actually that were we made our creator's representatives on this planet?

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    After reading the OP, I might suggest that you read Blood and Treasure: Daniel Boone and the Fight for America's First Frontier, by Bob Drury and Tom Clavin. The book goes pretty deep into the social/political landscape that formed the 18th Century on the N. American continent. There was a good deal more to discontent and unease with British rule than taxation on the narrow strip of "civilization" on the coast (which was largely levied to pay off the Seven Years/French & Indian War). A great deal of real life and death stuff was going on inland between England, the other European powers trying to carve their chunk out of the New World, and the various attempts to deal with dozens of native tribes either forcefully or by treaties legitimate or otherwise. There was no small amount of "Well, that may be good on paper for the folks in Charleston and New York, but out here west of the Smokies it's gonna get a lot of us scalped".

    Then there's the triangle trade of slaves to the Caribbean and every other example of individuals being ground to dust for the good of Empire. Those either directly under the grinding wheel or feeling the strain of a distant, ineffective government clueless to their frontier realities are going to have a hard time accepting that authority as the proxy of a loving god. Essentially, if King George and the British Parliament were God, there was a very real sense of "God ain't gettin' it done out here". At the point the American Revolution kicked off, that pot had been simmering for at least 3-4 generations.

    And pause for a moment to think who would write something like Romans 13: probably some tax collector trying to use the threat of eternal damnation as a shield against being tarred and feathered.

    If you go down the road of The Divine Right of Kings, and those kings are evil, oppressive, self-serving, or just incompetent inbreds, then what does that say about the god that gave them that right?

    This is where the opening salvo of the Declaration of Independence sprouts from. Look up and read those first couple paragraphs and it'll be clear that the founders saw a cycle of evil that needed to be broken, and they did indeed invoke "Nature's God" in justifying the breaking of it.
    WWJMBD?

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    Bigslug, Romans was written by Paul about 50-60 years after Jesus died. It was written to the people of Rome.

    I struggle with accepting God's word on obeying the authority of rulers...either Kings, or those who are "elected" to govern over us. IMO most people are in the same boat. Thus, why this is posted in this subforum.

    Man has used God's word to justify horrible acts over the centuries. Man has also ignored God's word when it does not fit his desires.

    Our rebellion against King George may have been justified in our minds but it seems to go against His word. So far, no one has offered scripture that makes our rebellion justified by His word. And your justification, though having merit, is not supported by scripture.

    One other comment. It is interesting that God views us as sheep. It is a description most men and especially Americans abhor. Yet that is His take on us. It is a metaphor that encapsulates His view of man. We need to be led, and cared for, and are unable to fend for ourselves...especially in spiritual matters.

    God has done things to take away what we consider "God given rights" in the past. God sent the Jews into slavery for 400 years. God used the Egyptians to accomplish His goal. I doubt that means He blessed the Egyptians, but He certainly had an issue with His "chosen people".

    We Americans tend to think we are special. We might be, but only because God has permitted it....for the time being. I wonder how special we will be with 8 million (and growing) illegal aliens flooding our country and demanding "their rights".

    God works in ways we cannot comprehend.

    I gather you do not believe in God. I was there for decades as well. My arrogance kept me from Him. If you need to justify every belief/desire you have in scripture, you will have strong walls against Him. If you accept you cannot understand everything in life (or death) the gate will start to open for you.

    I pray your journey goes well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigslug View Post
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    If you go down the road of The Divine Right of Kings, and those kings are evil, oppressive, self-serving, or just incompetent inbreds, then what does that say about the god that gave them that right?
    1 Samuel 8:4-9
    Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah and said to him, “Behold, you are old and your sons do not walk in your ways. Now appoint for us a king to judge us like all the nations.” But the thing displeased Samuel when they said, “Give us a king to judge us.” And Samuel prayed to the LORD. And the LORD said to Samuel, “Obey the voice of the people in all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected me from being king over them. According to all the deeds that they have done, from the day I brought them up out of Egypt even to this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are also doing to you. Now then, obey their voice; only you shall solemnly warn them and show them the ways of the king who shall reign over them.”
    Israel’s appointment of a king was a rejection of GOD. The kings we have are a reflection of our own collective hearts. We reap what we sow. Or, do we lack free will?
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    Hosea 8:4
    4 They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off.

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    If often wondered about this myself. There have been many leaders in the past who committed acts that are clearly declared sinful at best in the Bible.

    Yet many Christians found themselves living under the rule of those leaders. So what were they to do?

    This is probably going to set off a firestorm but here goes.

    Why are there so many apparent contradictions in the Bible? And before anyone says it's because we as people aren't intelligent enough to understand then answer another question.

    Why can the Creator not convey his wishes and intentions in such a manner that it's only difficult to understand if a person is intentionally obtuse?

    You should not have to be a genius to understand what the Creator wants. A person of below average intelligence should be able to understand it clearly.

    Yet the confusion continues and the Creator would have to know that. So it's intentionally ambiguous? Akin to navigating a spiritual minefield?

    Interesting.

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    Good post Hannibal.

    It makes a thinking person question if those who assembled and translated the Bible were “Divinely inspired”. But that opens up a 55 gallon can of worms. That one book has spawned over 1200 Christian sects who believe their understanding of the Bible is the correct one.

    I have many questions and doubts but still believe in God. The Bible is 100% correct on many subjects and foremost among them is that man is a natural born sinner.
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    Royalty is organized crime pretending to go legit.
    God said not to do it* but Nooooo, they wanted them a real kingly king.
    As for governments being put in place by God, you bet'cha. This is an ongoing running process with co-creation happening 24/7. But before anybody goes all new agey over me saying co-creation, back up and think a moment. We come here into this processing plant temporarily and then we become dearly departed through the shipping department as a product. An end product that we participate in creating. Hence co-creation. And all that stuff that people like to spout off about saying "Oh I just can't see how a loving god could let that happen"... eh, guess what. If He didn't love us then we wouldn't have been provided this opportunity.
    OK, end of rant. I need to go dig potatoes before it starts raining.

    *He's smart like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal View Post

    Why are there so many apparent contradictions in the Bible? And before anyone says it's because we as people aren't intelligent enough to understand then answer another question.

    Why can the Creator not convey his wishes and intentions in such a manner that it's only difficult to understand if a person is intentionally obtuse?

    You should not have to be a genius to understand what the Creator wants. A person of below average intelligence should be able to understand it clearly.

    Yet the confusion continues and the Creator would have to know that. So it's intentionally ambiguous? Akin to navigating a spiritual minefield?

    Interesting.
    I didn't post the Hosea quote to point out a contradiction in scripture because I think the Bible is the perfect preserved word of GOD without contradiction.

    Some folks sit in a church pew once a week for an hour trying to stay awake and toss a wad of cash in the collection box and think they have fulfilled their obligation.
    Some folks spend more time at their reloading bench developing loads then they do reading and trying to understand scripture
    Some folks spend more time bouncing around on social media on their smart phones and computers then they do with their Bible open

    Above are JUST a few reasons folks have a hard time connecting the dots

    1 Corinthians 14:33
    33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

    Or possibly...
    1 Corinthians 2:14
    14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    I could probably fill the page up with reasons why folks have a difficult time understanding the Bible... but one thing is for sure and for certain. It is NOT because GOD try to make it intentionally ambiguous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alabama358 View Post
    I didn't post the Hosea quote to point out a contradiction in scripture because I think the Bible is the perfect preserved word of GOD without contradiction.

    Some folks sit in a church pew once a week for an hour trying to stay awake and toss a wad of cash in the collection box and think they have fulfilled their obligation.
    Some folks spend more time at their reloading bench developing loads then they do reading and trying to understand scripture
    Some folks spend more time bouncing around on social media on their smart phones and computers then they do with their Bible open

    Above are JUST a few reasons folks have a hard time connecting the dots

    1 Corinthians 14:33
    33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

    Or possibly...
    1 Corinthians 2:14
    14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    I could probably fill the page up with reasons why folks have a difficult time understanding the Bible... but one thing is for sure and for certain. It is NOT because GOD try to make it intentionally ambiguous.
    Yep, I agree. Alot of people want the Bible to say what suits their lifestyle not the truth of the Bible.

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    Will America be judged? Yes, right now.
    When God was defied, He sent His children into slavery.

    What is drug addiction, if not slavery?
    We have made porn portable, called it progress.
    All I see is thumbs on screens, scrolling.

    I did not grow up in any church, went to one or two. got married in one.
    Jesus saved me from myself at age 25. Now I am an Independent Baptist.

    If it isn't in the Book, it isn't. We are not allowed to add anything.

    I wasted a few years after I was saved wondering if this God thing was really real, chasing the proofs of God. I studied the six or seven ways the world will end, came up with an opinion of my own. Chased the idea that our Bible is a poor translation, found that it translates the Word of God as well as we can understand it. I believe the King James is as good as we can do with our poor skills, and that we have to read it to our kids, until the kids finally learn phonics. As a result of my research I have decided the earth is not billions of years old, but was not founded on a Sunday in 4006BC either. The Trinity that I know is outside of time, right here right now laughing at my poor attempts to be humble. I have witnessed God directly answering prayer. He has done a great Work in America, and is not finished, ever. We must choose well, choose the Light, and support our local church because evil people are shooting at them.

    You can find apparent contradictions in the King James.
    King James primacy is a subject worth studying.
    You can read St Paul's original Greek alongside English in BibleHub. Greek syntax is like Yoda's.

    Just remember Satan's lie:"Did God really say?"

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    If you are looking for reasons to deny GOD, you will find them. If you sincerely pursue GOD, the Holy Spirit will give you understanding.
    But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
    John 14:26

    It seems to me that GOD created a world where we get to choose whether or not we want to spend eternity with our Creator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justindad View Post

    It seems to me that GOD created a world where we get to choose whether or not we want to spend eternity with our Creator.
    Yes sir, that does seem to be the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dverna View Post
    Good post Hannibal.

    It makes a thinking person question if those who assembled and translated the Bible were “Divinely inspired”. But that opens up a 55 gallon can of worms. That one book has spawned over 1200 Christian sects who believe their understanding of the Bible is the correct one.

    I have many questions and doubts but still believe in God. The Bible is 100% correct on many subjects and foremost among them is that man is a natural born sinner.
    I agree with your thinking. Too many things have occurred in my life that can only be reasonably explained by an intervention. Most I could not understand at the time, some became clear later on and some I'm still trying to comprehend.

    I do think if you ask for help from God you will receive it. I also believe that the help you receive will not always appear to be help and can nearly never be recognized as help when it occurs. I think that's why it's called faith.

    I will add that I do not believe snippets of scripture can or should be used to support a specific point. No more than taking snippets of my previous post.

    Both are to be taken in their entirety.
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