Lyman/Ideal 457127 question

[auto5man]

Hi All,

Anyone familiar with this mould enough to give some suggestions on a possible use? Basically I'm new to casting/reloading and was wondering what loads I could use it for. In doing a search and reading some posts and google hits, I was a little confused as to if this bullet was used as a .44 or .45 round. I have a Colt .45 clone (AWA Peacekeeper) and was hoping to use this bullet to load for a plinking round, it could be smokeless or bp. Any suggestions? If I'm posting in the wrong forum feel free to steer me in the right direction...

Regards,

Dave

[mpmarty]

I'm not familiar with that particular mold but the nomenclature "457" leads me to believe it is for a 45 caliber RIFLE not a pistol. 45 long colt bullets are now normally .451/.452 and pre world war II they were .454. 45 caliber rifles are 457/458 as in the 45/70, 458 Winchester etc. Someone far more knowledgeable than I will probably give you a far more detailed answer. Good luck with your new entry into the wonderful world of Wheel Weight research.

[Kraschenbirn]

Possibly a "gallery" boolit for a .45 cal. BP rifle cartridges?

Bill

[BPCR Bill]

My Lyman cast bullet handbook (Third Edition, 4th printing) does not list that one. Lyman has produced some new boolit molds since the late 80's, and it also may be an obsolete mold from days gone by. It does sound like a rifle mold, though. It's not listed in the current Buffalo Arms catalog either.

Regards,
Bill

[auto5man]

antique looking mold. When I googled it I saw the "gallery" bullet comment several times. Also, the google hits referenced various forum posts that usually involved a discussion about 45-70's. Perhaps this was a bullet for a lightly loaded 45-70 round? Darn, my hopes of using it as a .45 Colt bullet are diminishing.....

Thanks for everyone's input....

Dave

[TGM]

My Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook has the 457127 mold listed as a210gr.R.N. that takes the 374 top punch. If you cast with soft lead you should be able to size it down to 454 0r 452. I size 462 bullets down to 454 in two steps useing a Lee push thru 457 die first.

TGM

[GONRA]

GONRA sez Lyman 457127 is the perfect bullet for the .455 Webley & Scott Auto cartridge.
Bet that is the original intended application!
Make cases from .45 Long Colt Revolver brass. Case head diameter is perfect.
Do NOT doit from .45 Auto Rim brass per olde American Rifleman article. Incorrect case head diameter.

[John Boy]

Darn, my hopes of using it as a .45 Colt bullet are diminishing.....

Your hopes stopped even before they started because the 457127 Ideal bullet was designed as a plinker for single shot rifles with a groove diameter of 457... not a groove diameter of 452-454 for the 45LC in revolvers
210gr

You could always resize the bullet down but guaranteed - your going to bugger the base because of the excess squeeze

Of Note: The first 3 numbers on Ideal molds are the groove diameter of the bullet

[Ron Williams]

I have one I bought from a member here.He said it was a gallery bullet.With 30-1 alloy the bullet measures .457 and weighs 207 grains.
I have loaded it for my colt which has generous cylinder throats and it works fine. My shooting partner loaded the same bullet in 45-70 cases with 10 and 15 grains of black powder and corn meal filler, the 10 grain load didn't clear the barrel but 15 grains worked alright.

[Ron Williams]

The bullet base is tapered also

[GONRA]

GONRA’s .455 Webley & Scott Auto cartridge Eley print is dated 1911.
Can any or you Castboolit experts date the Lyman 457127 mold?
Eley’s bullet weighs 225 grains. My cast bullets weighed only 198 grains,
using 1960 era freebee scrap lead, so have to admit its not such a close match.
Boolit otherwise “looks the same“ and sure is handy for this cartridge!

[DaveF]

I also have that old Ideal mould, and use it in my Colt New Service in .455 Eley. They drop at around 190gr. and 0.458", and I was shooting them sized 0.454" over 5.3gr. Unique in Hornady 455 Mk. II brass, with decent results for old eyes.
I also sized some down to 0.452" to use in a Ruger Blackhawk .45 Colt, and they sized fine, with no distortion. I just haven't shot any of them yet.