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    using jacketed powder charge for cast

    A quick question:
    Is it possible / safe use a load for a jacketed bullet when using a cast boolit of the same weight?
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    It is as the cast bullet will result in lower pressure than a jacketed bullet. Just be careful your charge doesn't result in more pressure than the cast bullet can withstand. Staring jacketed bullet loads may be a good place to start or may produce too much pressure.
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    fwiw
    the original Lee manual made no distinction between cast or jacketed bullet i am still using some of their recipes with no problem -
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    When I can't find a recipe for cast bullets using the powders available to me, but the powder I have does have a recipe for jacketed bullets, then I just use that recipe for cast. Never had an issue.

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    It works well with the "full case" slow for cartridge bottom lines powders . 4350 in 30-30 and 32 Rem are very good .
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    I use the data interchangeably for cast or jacketed of the same weight but I pay close attention to how far the bullet is seated into the case. Especially when nearing maximum loads.

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    what Frosty said, watch your overall length.
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    I do it for the 30-30. 170gr Jacketed and 173gr Cast/PC'd....with the same load of powder gives me same POI at the target. I can't say this will be true for every cast bullet caliber...but this has been my experience. It's so easy to switch between the two this way.

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    thanks guys
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    Generally speaking, it’s probably fine.

    A couple things I’d keep in mind:
    Jacketed bullets are groove diameter while cast tend to be a bit larger. The cast bullets could obturate to an even larger diameter.

    Make sure they’re a fit to your chamber throat(s) and work up.

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    May be obvious, but the reverse when using cast bullet load information with jacketed bullets can be much more of a problem; especially with light cast bullet loads. It generally takes more pop to get a jacketed bullet out the barrel than a cast bullet.
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    As long as the amount of bullet in the case is roughly the same, the only slight danger is at very top end, max loads. Rule of thumb is that you'll be ok using J data for lead in pistols and revolvers, not so much in rifles. However, in cartridges that exceed 1400-1500 fps, severe leading can be a problem. For this reason, you will often see lower max loads for lead boolits than Jacketed ones.
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    got it all,,,,basically I want to use this for revolver loads
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    Especially with revolvers the seating depth can make a big difference even if the bullets weigh the same. If the cast bullet is taking up more case capacity then you need to start your powder charge lower & work up because pressures are going to be higher. This is very important is small cases like the 9mm, etc.

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    wait there's a difference lol
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    Load data. Lead vs Jacketed- same powder

    Study this comparson , lead vs jacketed. https://www.thehighroad.org/index.ph...d-bullets.265/

    More at link.


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    I use it for rifle loads when I can’t find loads for lead boolits with the powders available here.

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    Since I have data for cast boolits and data for jacketed boolits ... I tend to use the appropriate data for the boolit I'm going to load .

    It's not hard to get the correct loading data for the type of boolit loaded ... why not use it !

    It reminds me of some things my Daddy used to tell me ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickinTN View Post
    It is as the cast bullet will result in lower pressure than a jacketed bullet. ...........Rick
    I did a fairly extensive pressure measurement test of numerous cartridges, both handgun and rifle, trying to prove that theory. I could not. Sometimes the cast bullet would give a lower pressure and sometimes it gave a higher pressure. Sometimes those higher pressures with top end loads could be called "excessive' or "unsafe".

    "the cast bullet will result in lower pressure than a jacketed bullet" is a myth.
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