CVA Scout 300 Blackout as a Rook Rifle ?

[vonfilm]

I am intrigued by the CVA Scout Takedown in 300 Blackout. I love that it has a 16.5” barrel and takes down easily without tools.It comes with a rail for easy scope mounting. All report that it has a nice crisp trigger and very good accuracy. With full power J word bullets it approximates 30-30 performance.

Certainly the price is right on these.

What I am wondering about is how it would work with 90-120 grain cast bullets with reduced loads in the 800-1300 fps range. Something like one could achieve with a .32 S&W Long, 32 HR Magnum, or 32-20.

Brass and ammo seems to have better availability than many other calibers and I could even get a 300 BO upper for my AR in the future.

Anyone have any experience loading bunny loads in this caliber?

[MarkP]

I have loaded the 113 gr LEE and 93 gr RN in my 300 AAC bolt action over a few grainsof Red dot or E3.

[vonfilm]

I have loaded the 113 gr LEE and 93 gr RN in my 300 AAC bolt action over a few grainsof Red dot or E3.

Mark P,
How are your boolits sized? What kind of accuracy did you get?

I was thinking about some 115 grain .309 RNHP cast boolits from GT Bullets with enough Bullseye to achieve about 1200 fps approximating 32-20 performance. I don’t know where I could find any load data for that application.

The 300 Blackout cartridge looks a lot like a 32-20 to me.

[Jedman]

I have a single shot rifle chambered in a rimmed 300 blk out that has the case shortened.060 but the barrel is a 1-12 twist. Most true 300 blk out barrels are 1 - 8” or even 1 - 7” twist and have very long throats / leades before you reach the lands so you may find it hard to get short lightweight bullets to group ? I would go a little larger on the bullet diameter on cast bollits maybe as large as what you’re chamber will allow as with a .308-.309 you may get gas blowing past the bullet before it is in the lands.

You are out little if they don’t work out.

Jedman

[popper]

It will work fine. I did it with red dot in my CVA BO. Note - the rail is weaver, not picatinny. 145gr PB so a bit heavier than you're wanting. Haven't tried with the Hornady half jacket 110 gr. Yes, light bullets have to be loaded real long so not much in the neck. I use 110 Vmax in BO, works great but at the cost, I don't load them light.

Always wanted a RB or rook rifle, scout does the job nicely at a lot less $$.

[Grayone]

I am intrigued by the CVA Scout Takedown in 300 Blackout. I love that it has a 16.5” barrel and takes down easily without tools.It comes with a rail for easy scope mounting. All report that it has a nice crisp trigger and very good accuracy. With full power J word bullets it approximates 30-30 performance.

Certainly the price is right on these.

What I am wondering about is how it would work with 90-120 grain cast bullets with reduced loads in the 800-1300 fps range. Something like one could achieve with a .32 S&W Long, 32 HR Magnum, or 32-20.

Brass and ammo seems to have better availability than many other calibers and I could even get a 300 BO upper for my AR in the future.

Anyone have any experience loading bunny loads in this caliber?

I have a single shot CVA in 300 BO and have used many different loads in it. I have used it to take a couple of deer as well as many other critters around the farm. It is a joy to hunt with the 16.5 inch barrel. I have used the 90 grain lee SWC to a cast 245 grain bullet in its 1-8 twist. I has been accurate with powders from Bullseye to AA1680 and several in between. This has been an excellent caliber for a caster and reloader.

[MarkP]

On a Star sizer with LARs BAC or CAR Red. 113's shot decent at 65 yds at lower velocity similar with 93 gr. 1,000 ish fps. The 113's shot Softball sized groups at 2,300 fps at 100 yds. 1:7 twist.

[steve urquell]

I have a V2 .300BLK and shoot a lot of subsonic loads thru my suppressor. Here are some of my loads. ALso I have used the Titewad data for 32-20 here for my .300BLK with good results with the 150gr 30-30 bullet as well as the .30 carbine bullet. The pic of the 150gr below is 3 shots at 50yds in one hole.
http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm

[HumptyDumpty]

It should work very well. I have had excellent results in 308, with 115gr flat points, originally cast for 32-20, resized to .309". I've accumulated a number of partially full cans, with several different pistol powders. My notes are temporarily misplaced, but it didn't seem to matter which powder I used; a modest starting charge, and loading for accuracy was all that it took to reliably smack a six-inch plate at 100 yards, with irons.

[siamese4570]

It's good to hear all these good reports on the cva scout. I've been eye-ballin one in 44mag since the handi-rifles have got so stupid expensive. The only comment that I have to Vonfilms original post is I've never seen a rook.
Siamese4570

[vonfilm]

I have a V2 .300BLK and shoot a lot of subsonic loads thru my suppressor. Here are some of my loads. ALso I have used the Titewad data for 32-20 here for my .300BLK with good results with the 150gr 30-30 bullet as well as the .30 carbine bullet. The pic of the 150gr below is 3 shots at 50yds in one hole.
http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm

Steve,
It is great to see your accuracy with 32-20 equivalent loads with light bullets. This makes for an extremely versatile rifle that can use 85-220 grain bullets and 32 S&W Long to 30-30 performance levels.

With the 16.5” barrel it’s still a handy length with a suppressor. Being able to take it down to a 16.5” bundle is a big plus.

[steve urquell]

Steve,
It is great to see your accuracy with 32-20 equivalent loads with light bullets. This makes for an extremely versatile rifle that can use 85-220 grain bullets and 32 S&W Long to 30-30 performance levels.

With the 16.5” barrel it’s still a handy length with a suppressor. Being able to take it down to a 16.5” bundle is a big plus.

Oh yeah, accurate little rifle with a great trigger pull. If you didn't know it these are built by Bergara. I settled on a pretty light load of TiteWad and 110gr .30 carbine bullets for my everyday plinking loads. They weren't as accurate as the 150gr bullets but were good enough and super cheap. Since there is no published data on them I'll PM you the data.

One thing that's also awesome about this caliber and being a single-shot is the ability to push a pistol bullet to 2000+fps. The .30 Mauser bullets turn themselves inside out and end up being 1" in diameter and the XTPs nose explodes but the core remains intact and keeps penetrating.

I've loaded a full case of LilGun with an XTP on top and shot armadillos with them. You do have to find and pick up all the parts if it's too close to the house though. Pistol bullets at 2400fps are amazing. On the vid note the muzzle flash and the fact that the jug is blown into pieces. That's a full case of Lilgun and a 90gr XTP



https://youtu.be/DDsAUwZUNqM

[steve urquell]

Another thing I wanted to share about seating pistol bullets in these cases is that I had a heck of a time keeping from cocking the bullets. I was using the Lee universal neck expander and it did not work well at all.

I went on Lee Precision's site and started looking at die parts. Ordered a .30 Carbine powder thru expander plug, .30 Mauser bullet seater plug, and a .32 ACP powder thru expander plug in case the .30carb wasn't big enough. The .30 carb was perfect put in my .38 powder thru expander die and I was able assemble the 86gr Mauser RN bullets with no cocking. I bet the .32 expander would be great for lead boolits.

At the time I ordered these parts Lee gave me the parts for free, I just had to pay shipping.

[frkelly74]

I have some of those Hornady pistol Hp bullets that I got when I had a 30 mauser that I was wondering what to do with. Now I have an idea. I had tried them in my AR in 300 Bo and found they would not feed at all. But my Handy 30-30 might just enjoy eating them up.

[steve urquell]

I have some of those Hornady pistol Hp bullets that I got when I had a 30 mauser that I was wondering what to do with. Now I have an idea. I had tried them in my AR in 300 Bo and found they would not feed at all. But my Handy 30-30 might just enjoy eating them up.

I wish I could find a pic of the 90gr XTPs I caught after firing at 2000+fps bt I can't find a pic

90gr XTP @950fps


86gr .30Mauser @ 2000+fps:


ETA: I had forgotten we shot some of my loads over my FIL's chrono. Here is what we got:

..Powder..............Bullet...................... .COAL............Primer..............Velocity

16gr 2400......86gr Hornady SPRN.............1.720............CCI400.......... ......2266

16gr 2400......110gr Sierra HP..................1.950...........CCI400........ .........2214

4.5gr Unique.....150 X-treme Plated FP.......2.00............Rem 6 1/2.............1106

3.4gr Unique.......Hornady 90gr XTP...........1.647..........Tula SRP................964

[popper]

Or 145gr PB @ 2150 with H110.

[vonfilm]

You might try a Lyman M die for flaring the case necks.

This rifle is so versatile.

[vonfilm]

I have taken several deer with a 165 Nosler ballistic tip in a 30-06 with great accuracy and devastating terminal effect. I wonder how this would work at 300 Blackout velocity.

[steve urquell]

You can load that weight to 1700fps but the minimum expansion velocity on it is 1600fps. Most use the 110 to 125grs loaded to 2000-2400fps.

[vonfilm]

I ordered a Scout V2 Takedown in 300 Blackout from my local gun shop at a better price than is currently being offered on Gunbroker. No ETA, but they said they will fill the order when their CVA distributor receives another batch.

Now I need to get some brass and reloading dies. I see that Boyd’s Gunstocks offers walnut replacement stocks and forends if I want a more traditional look.