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Thread: Subsonic Caliber for Hogs

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    there is a hollow point 150-151grn mold that is VERY popular over here....guy in Tokoroa casts them and sells on trademe.... Ive played with them quite a bit...MAJORITY of folks serious about subsonics use these if $$$$ are tight and the lehigh fracturing if $$$$ no issue.PERSONALLY I believe the 150hps are about as good of .308 cal subsonic projectile as you can get.....the ywill exit most animals..now granted a big pig over here is 200lb you lot have some very big fellas.... if I was using subs on pigs,I would want mag with potent supers on hand in case things got hairy in a hurry..better to apolagise for making noise than for ambulance turning up to rescue you after getting ripped by angry wounded boar.
    the 151grn hp is same mold that throws 170 as aflat point...so probably talking same boolit as the others.
    any pig under 100lb I wouldnt muck around and just shoulder shoot them. behind ear is ideal,but not going to be feasable once they are on the move.

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    Aim point is good. I shoot for midpoint between ear and shoulder. Spine. CNS. DRT.
    If you don’t load subsonic it’ll still crack from the bullet speed until it reaches sub. May be easier to look at larger pistol calibers in a carbine. Just sayin.

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    Not cast but here is a place to get some bullets designed for sub sonic use. They are expensive but work well.
    https://www.cavitybackbullets.com/category-s/126.htm

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    Carrying around a 11lb rifle all night is not enjoyable and I might have to come up with a lighter rifle...lol I can only image how I would feel if I didn't workout every day.

    I appreciate everyone's input.

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    I went to the LGS today to see what they had and end up buying a 46 cal can that's rated for all the big bores (45 and less) and you can remove the baffle stacks. It also comes with a 30 cal adaptor and piston system for pistols. The heck with it, you only live once!!!! Now the long wait.

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    good stuff,please keep updated with progress.I load .44magnum for a couple of pighunters who shoot over dogs,its a real balancing act between too hot/loud and not enough punch/quiet quiet is good if can poke pill in right spot but SUCKS if they dont.... anywhere in the eye/ear son....get as close as you can then 5 yards closer... two little sayings I grew up with that are as relevant today as they were 40 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXCOONDOG View Post
    I think all my can approvals have taken 9-16months even before all this and COVID. I may just order a 46 cal can since I plan on a 338 Laupa build and I've been eyeballing the 45-70 too.
    Let us know how it turns out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXCOONDOG View Post
    I went to the LGS today to see what they had and end up buying a 46 cal can that's rated for all the big bores (45 and less) and you can remove the baffle stacks. It also comes with a 30 cal adaptor and piston system for pistols. The heck with it, you only live once!!!! Now the long wait.
    That is excellent! who is the maker?
    The one I got is the Banish 46

    I am having a hard time finding a 45/70 set up for it whether it be a Henry or Marlin, of course you can get them both all day long in a bidding war on Gun Broker and end up paying twice or more than the MRSP, which is usually higher than you would pay at your LGS.
    Not going to do that, too old a cat to get screwed by the kitten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmacgyver0 View Post
    That is excellent! who is the maker?
    The one I got is the Banish 46

    I am having a hard time finding a 45/70 set up for it whether it be a Henry or Marlin, of course you can get them both all day long in a bidding war on Gun Broker and end up paying twice or more than the MRSP, which is usually higher than you would pay at your LGS.
    Not going to do that, too old a cat to get screwed by the kitten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXCOONDOG View Post
    Griffin Bushwacker 46

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    Nice, hope you get it soon.

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    You know, one of those 45 acp carbines built on an AR platform would be pretty good on hoggies. I think JRC makes one that’s reasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HWooldridge View Post
    You know, one of those 45 acp carbines built on an AR platform would be pretty good on hoggies. I think JRC makes one that’s reasonable.
    I thought about this along with other pistol calibers in lever actions and/or bolt actions. I hunt in the National Forest and of coarse the hogs are in the thick stuff so I think the 45-70 with hard casts would be a good fit. I think the 450 Bushmaster might do well too.

    I'm thankful for this forum and members as it would take much much much longer to figure things out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockrat View Post
    I would recommend powder coating your boolits if using them in a suppressor. Now, that said, if you have one you can easily disassemble to clean, then powder coating would not be needed, but would still help with keeping the suppressor clean
    I too use both 308 and 300 BO. I have a user serviceable suppressor and use both 4227 and Trail Boss powder. With the 308 Lyman 31141 boolit, powder coating and gas checked with the 'gator check'. with the 300 BO the Hornady 190 grain subx gets the call.

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    Everybody's perspective on this topic is influenced significantly by the turf they hunt, so what floats my boat may not work for anyone else. I'm a stalker that hunts heavy cover. Longest shot I've taken on hogs in the last 20 years was 38 yards, measured with a tape. My weapon of choice during that time frame was a T/C Contender carbine chambered for .22 short. It accounted for approximately 150 hogs in the last 19 years, all of which fell to a single shot with a single exception. The victims ranged in size from 20-250# with an average of about 100-125#. One of my other tools is also a T/C Contender, chambered for a .30 caliber based on a necked down .357 Mag case. It is suppressed and shoots subsonic lead.

    Couple of stray thoughts come to mind on the topic at hand. Hogs aren't hard to kill. Lord Placement rules the game. The Prince of terminal ballistics has influence as well, and in this realm will show you that conventional wisdom belongs in the trash bucket. To illustrate that paradigm, I found that CB Shorts penetrate better than .22 LR rounds. On hogs up to the neighborhood of 125# a short will fully penetrate the neck/vertebrae on a broadside shot, and a LR round (SV) will not. Hog's dead regardless, but that was a surprise. On larger hogs I have the patience to wait for them to be facing me, snout down, and pop them a little above the eye line. A CB will fully penetrate the skull/brain, and be found in the neck muscle. Dead pig will testify to that.

    Somewhat consistent with my findings about bullet form influence, buckshot will generally fully penetrate a hog on a broadside shot at ranges up to around 40-50 yards. It has enough snap after the fact to kill additional hogs in the background. Been there, done that, on 3 occasions, ie. 1 shot, 3 dead hogs.

    Quiet guns give one a significant advantage in this game, be they suppressed/subsonic or just simply quiet like the CB Shorts. I have killed a fair number of hogs after the first shot with my quiet single shot rifles simply because they don't know what that noise was, or where it came from. They do hear it, but don't know what to do. My personal record is 5 hogs without taking a step. 2 of those weighed over 200#, the other 3 were ~60#. The sole survivor of that parade finally figured out that something was wrong, but wasn't sure what it was, so it squealed and ran by me as I reloaded. So you see, I'm not perfect...sometimes they get away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXCOONDOG View Post
    I have a new place to hunt hogs, and the farmer wants me to use a bow or subsonic ammo when hunting at night. All my shots will be 100 yds or less due to velocity restraints. I do have many .308's with 10 & 12 twists and have the Lee 150 & 170 molds using 50 WW & 50 pure alloy. I'm going to use Trail Boss with a mag primers.

    I'm thinking head or behind the ear mostly. I just don't have any experience with rifle cast boolits on animals.

    Good to start with since I have the rifle and 30 cal can? Is it recommended to go with a larger caliber (large meplate) such as .450 Bushmaster, etc.?

    Need some help and advice.

    Thanks in advance.
    I use the original Lyman 31141 in .308 which cast out to 181 grains powder coated and checked. Sized to .309. Powder is Trail Boss at 10 grains. It is a good load.

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    458 SOCOM. A suppressed 500gr pure lead (but powdercoated) bullet loafing along at 950fps is still 1000fpe. It is definately louder than a suppressed 300BLK, but packs a punch.

    Maker Bullets makes a .458 SOCOM 500gr all-metal machined projectile that is designed to expand at subsonic velocity. I just loaded up several for testing, but I have not had a chance to shoot it.
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    300BKOT with 7 or 8 T. The Lee 170 should work fine. I use red dot or 2400 for light loads in mine. If 40sw 165gr will do the job, BO certainly will. Hits at > 50 yds are difficult with the subs. They can hear it coming and duck the head. Makes shoulder shots more important.
    Last edited by popper; 04-06-2023 at 05:19 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milky Duck View Post
    good stuff,please keep updated with progress.I load .44magnum for a couple of pighunters who shoot over dogs,its a real balancing act between too hot/loud and not enough punch/quiet quiet is good if can poke pill in right spot but SUCKS if they dont.... anywhere in the eye/ear son....get as close as you can then 5 yards closer... two little sayings I grew up with that are as relevant today as they were 40 years ago.
    both the fellas who were using these are ,it seems,poor shots...both have had non fatal shots and both much prefer supersonic loads...I tried to tell them to shoot em in the earhole or not at all...but you cant seem to teach an old dog new tricks.....

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