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    Thanks for all the comments - they all are in agreement with my thoughts. I saw that, and thought I'd toss it out, more to confirm my thinking.

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    There's all sorts of fakery out there, especially with antique guns.
    A Pawn Stars episode had a guy selling an antique Navy Colt he'd 'invested' some really big bucks in.

    Rick's expert showed him-- 'See how this part is machined, how deep these letters and numbers are, blah, blah, blah',,,,
    "On the originals--------- they were, blah, blah, blah"......
    Yours is a reproduction, cleverly 'aged',,,,,, and is worth about $150. in this condition".

    The guy left with, "My wife is going to kill me"....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winger Ed. View Post
    There's all sorts of fakery out there, especially with antique guns.
    A Pawn Stars episode had a guy selling an antique Navy Colt he'd 'invested' some really big bucks in.

    Rick's expert showed him-- 'See how this part is machined, how deep these letters and numbers are, blah, blah, blah',,,,
    "On the originals--------- they were, blah, blah, blah"......
    Yours is a reproduction, cleverly 'aged',,,,,, and is worth about $150. in this condition".

    The guy left with, "My wife is going to kill me"....
    I've also seen his "Expert" way off base on what he was saying about a firearm.
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    whatever is for sale is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. I once had a chance top buy Robert e lee's revolver, ohh yeah, they only wanted $20,000 and I donor even remember what it was only the price. they even had a letter signed by some "expert" that was no longer alive. go figure? I dont think I missed out on anything even if I could have afforded it. oh they also had pictures of Abe Lincoln for only $1000 each

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    Quote Originally Posted by waksupi View Post
    I've also seen his "Expert" way off base on what he was saying about a firearm.
    Yeah. There's been a couple of those shows where an 'expert' ended up with egg on their face.
    Not to mention the storage war shows where the good stuff was actually planted.

    I'd be more trusting for an 'expert' to spot a fake than I would be for them to authenticate
    something historical of questionable lineage.
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    $8k for Custer's rifle, we only care to put up 1 pic. I've seen auctions where they're selling ratchets by the single and each has like 4 pics. Looking at hte Remington it's really plane jane - the sights are not what I would expect somebody who's trying to live larger than life to have. I'd also expect the rifle to have blood rust on it.

    As for a 66 for sitting bull, no way. Those things are boat anchors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatnhappy View Post
    I have General Washington's personal winchester model 70. It's in .30-06 of course. Pictures of him carrying it are available on request.

    Please don't smudge the ink on my provenance documents.
    Yes -- to authenticate this I've seen the photo with Brian Williams sitting next to him!

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    Here are a couple of documents I missed other day. This is for Custer's rifle
    https://gunsofhistoryauction.com/upl...50_%281%29.pdf

    and here for Sitting Bull's rifle:
    https://gunsofhistoryauction.com/upl...chesterSRC.pdf

    Again, no way to tell if they're real or not, but sure does read good.

    update: Custer's rifle just sold for $47,500 and there is an 18% premium on top of that.
    Last edited by KenH; 01-21-2023 at 11:21 PM.

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    Well, it looks like the Custer's rifle sold, but Sitting Bull's rifle didn't sell due to low price. Did ya'll look at the PDF file for each rifle? Has a really good "story" with it. The bidder for Custer's rifle must have thought it was a valid rifle at $47,500 + the fees making it over $56,000 total price. and that's not counting sales taxes.

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    I have General Washington's personal winchester model 70. It's in .30-06 of course. Pictures of him carrying it are available on request.

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