No more non-FFL firearms shipping through UPS and Fedex

[Big Tom]

Looks like the demrats, guncontrol fetishists got a pretty big win, convincing Fedex and UPS to stop shipping firearms from non-FFL dealers/private parties. UPS apparently even goes a step further and will not accept shipments of firearm related parts... Where the heck is this world going....

Which service will you use moving forward?

[slim1836]

Well that blows, gotta source to that by any chance?

Slim

[Three44s]

Death of our liberty by a thousand cuts!

Three44s

[salpal48]

What they don't know won't. hurt them

[Smoke4320]

Slim1836 Big tom is correct.. if you go to the UPS site it spells it out very very specifically..
as a FFL dealer we are now required by UPS to establish a completely different UPS Account to ONLY ship firearms and bunches of hoops and requirements
it sucks big time

from the UPS website

UPS accepts packages containing Firearm Products for shipment only as a contractual service and only from Shippers who are licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors (as defined in Title 18, Chapter 44 of the United States Code) to authorized recipients, as outlined in the approved UPS agreement for the transportation of Firearm Products.

To transport packages containing Firearm Products, the Shipper must enter into an approved UPS agreement for the transportation of Firearm Products.

The shipper must comply with and must ensure that each shipment containing Firearms or Firearm Parts complies with all federal, state and local laws applicable to the shipper, recipient, and package, including, without limitation, age restrictions. All Firearms and Firearm Parts shipments must also conform to the terms, conditions, restrictions, and prohibitions set forth on this page at the time of shipping, in the UPS Tariff/Terms and Conditions of Service and UPS Rate and Service Guide in effect at the time of shipping, and in the approved UPS Firearm Products agreement.

Prohibited Firearm Products Shipments
UPS does not accept automatic weapons, including machine guns, for shipment, either domestically or internationally.

UPS does not accept Firearms or Firearm Parts for shipment internationally. Replicas or simulated Firearms are not accepted for shipment internationally except as a contractual service.

UPS does not accept Firearms or Firearm Parts for shipment domestically unless (1) such shipments are in full compliance with all federal, state, and local laws, including, without limitation, age restrictions; (2) such Firearms, including any partially complete, disassembled, or nonfunctional frame or receiver (as defined by 27 CFR § 478.12), have been identified and bear a serial number in a manner that complies with federal law; and (3) such Firearm Parts within a package cannot be assembled to form a Firearm.

Any item that meets the definition of a Firearm (including Firearm mufflers or silencers) or a “frame” or “receiver” under federal law (including any partially complete, disassembled, or nonfunctional frame or receiver as defined by 27 CFR § 478.12) must be identified and bear a serial number in satisfaction of the requirements for identifying such items under federal law, including 27 CFR § 478.92 and/or 27 CFR § 479.102, regardless of whether any such items are otherwise exempt from or not subject to identification requirements under applicable law. This prohibition applies even before the effective date of 27 CFR §

[scattershot]

What they don't know won't. hurt them

Amen, brother.

[Big Tom]

Here's the fedex BS: https://www.fedex.com/en-us/shipping/how-to-ship-firearms.html

[gc45]

And all the democrat voting gun owners are very happy. They should all look in the mirror and say, "See what a great thing I have done."

[Texas Gun]

They can only buy votes for so long that’s why they’re trying to take them away

[slim1836]

Slim1836 Big tom is correct.. if you go to the UPS site it spells it out very very specifically..
as a FFL dealer we are now required by UPS to establish a completely different UPS Account to ONLY ship firearms and bunches of hoops and requirements
it sucks big time

from the UPS website

UPS accepts packages containing Firearm Products for shipment only as a contractual service and only from Shippers who are licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors (as defined in Title 18, Chapter 44 of the United States Code) to authorized recipients, as outlined in the approved UPS agreement for the transportation of Firearm Products.

To transport packages containing Firearm Products, the Shipper must enter into an approved UPS agreement for the transportation of Firearm Products.

The shipper must comply with and must ensure that each shipment containing Firearms or Firearm Parts complies with all federal, state and local laws applicable to the shipper, recipient, and package, including, without limitation, age restrictions. All Firearms and Firearm Parts shipments must also conform to the terms, conditions, restrictions, and prohibitions set forth on this page at the time of shipping, in the UPS Tariff/Terms and Conditions of Service and UPS Rate and Service Guide in effect at the time of shipping, and in the approved UPS Firearm Products agreement.

Prohibited Firearm Products Shipments
UPS does not accept automatic weapons, including machine guns, for shipment, either domestically or internationally.

UPS does not accept Firearms or Firearm Parts for shipment internationally. Replicas or simulated Firearms are not accepted for shipment internationally except as a contractual service.

UPS does not accept Firearms or Firearm Parts for shipment domestically unless (1) such shipments are in full compliance with all federal, state, and local laws, including, without limitation, age restrictions; (2) such Firearms, including any partially complete, disassembled, or nonfunctional frame or receiver (as defined by 27 CFR § 478.12), have been identified and bear a serial number in a manner that complies with federal law; and (3) such Firearm Parts within a package cannot be assembled to form a Firearm.

Any item that meets the definition of a Firearm (including Firearm mufflers or silencers) or a “frame” or “receiver” under federal law (including any partially complete, disassembled, or nonfunctional frame or receiver as defined by 27 CFR § 478.12) must be identified and bear a serial number in satisfaction of the requirements for identifying such items under federal law, including 27 CFR § 478.92 and/or 27 CFR § 479.102, regardless of whether any such items are otherwise exempt from or not subject to identification requirements under applicable law. This prohibition applies even before the effective date of 27 CFR §

Thanks for the clarification Smoke4320. Wasn't there a ruling lately of some nature that stated serial numbers were no longer required on weapons or did I imagine this?

Slim

[Harter66]

Nevada says thou shalt have a number applied by a certified licensed number application facility. It's in legalese but that's the jist of it . Get caught with a finished 80% go to jail .

[Hannibal]

Before long some unknown will step up and take over firearms and firearm component shipping. It'll probably cost more but a market has been created so someone will serve it.

Just don't forget when the other carriers realize their mistakes in lost revenue and reverse policy. That dog bit us so stop feeding it and let it starve.

[Keyman]

So what are the rules for the USPS(postal service)?

[Hannibal]

Personally given the current situation if I were shipping any modern firearms I'd bear the extra expense and ship strictly FFL to FFL. Just not worth the potential hassle to save a few dollars.

[Big Tom]

USPS is not allowed per federal regulation.

So what are the rules for the USPS(postal service)?

[Big Tom]

Unless you want to ship within the state or for example for a repair/tuning...

Personally given the current situation if I were shipping any modern firearms I'd bear the extra expense and ship strictly FFL to FFL. Just not worth the potential hassle to save a few dollars.

[justindad]

Does this impact Midway shipping out replacement parts, like a 1911 ejector rod?

[georgerkahn]

Does this impact Midway shipping out replacement parts, like a 1911 ejector rod?

That is one awesomely great question, and I hope s knowledgeable person will answer it -- I have no idea!

What I am going to add is that I recently attempted to post a Beeman air pistol -- a good one -- to a repair person (seal replacement, etc.) and was very kindly advised by counter person at USPS that I possibly could find myself in a bit of doo-doo just from bringing the (triple-boxed, sealed) box into the Post Office building. I egressed with haste going to UPS store. There, the nice gal spent a quarter-hour on telephone to ascertain it was OK -- and it turned out that was a no-go, too.
I rang repair shop and trying FedEx was suggested. Of all surprises, I left package locked in my truck (play it safe, eh?) and made inquiry in -- of all places -- a Walgreens Pharmacy which also has Fed Ex pick-up. NO PROBLEM! I was assured; I got the box, filled out one small form and handed over a few U S dollars -- and off it went. Three days later (tracking) it was received by repairman. Then, albeit it took a few months, I got a 'phone call the pistol was repaired and provided CC info to execute payment. Two days later -- FedEx made delivery.
Perhaps FedEx will be the only way to go?

[Shanghai Jack]

USPS is not allowed per federal regulation.

Not completely correct.

[farmbif]

sounds like UPS has some new legal form s that must get the I's dotted and tees crossed and put your signature on it so the next time some yahoo whacked in the head shoots up a school full of children they cant get sued and lose $millions. I wonder if the lawyers even understand completely what these new forms say.