I have had a couple of people tell me they can shoot well at distance. I have discussed my loading and shooting history with them - and made the point that I have never been a top shooter. But; I also know that the reality is that I can out shoot most people I engage with.
I have had the good fortune to have some express a desire to learn more about both shooting and reloading. I have gone back to the basics with them, worked with them a while; and most hav become better shooters than I - but will need years to develop the experience that years of reloading (and thinking/recording/evaluating/and finding what does not work) brings to those who are diligent.
My thoughts are offer to help those interested; be polite to those who are not interested or blowhards; and move on.
Mustang
"In the beginning... the patriot is a scarce man, and brave and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." - Mark Twain.
Shooting at 1000 yards consistently take practice and training I’ve taken a couple of long range shooting courses and if you don’t shoot constantly you lose your skill.
Talk is cheap. I've won a couple of $100 bets on 1,000-yard claims. In one case when we got to the range he never even took his "deer" rifle out of the case.
Anyone that I've ever met that shot well at distance knew what they were doing. Someone that that doesn't know how to adjust a scope is blowing BS.
2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
"Before you argue with someone, ask yourself, is that person even mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of different perspectives? Because if not, there’s absolutely no point."
– Amber Veal
"The Highest form of ignorance is when your reject something you don't know anything about".
- Wayne Dyer
It's always the quiet guy in the corner, just doing his thing, old beat up car and gear (except for a meticulously maintained rifle), who outshoots everyone and then heads home with a few cloverleafs on a 300 yard target.
I'm not that guy. My late grandpa was and I learned a lot from him. Still wishing I could shoot like he did.
--Wag--
"Great genius will always encounter fierce opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstein.
A wanabe is a good thing and most of us wantabe better at some things than we are right now. A liar is another thing completely. I wantabe an SR71 pilot. how close am I to that? I saw a bunch of blades and vanes on the assembly floor at P&W back years ago.
I Am Descended From Men Who Would Not Be Ruled
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I used to shoot 1,000 with irons and I was pretty damn good at it. Here in NJ there is nowhere near me to even try anymore and even if there was I seriously doubt I would still be able to do it. It is a skill that needs to be maintained, constant practice. I don't think I could even see the target in irons anymore at my age.
But then you have the old WWII snipers like this old hero. It is a fairly long video but well worth watching. Unfortunately he is no longer with us but what those guys did for him was fantastic. And when he is shooting especially watch his eyes, They never blink or flinch even when he fires! After all those years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VADFpAfDLY
If thats' a 1/2" bolt and he's shooting at the bolt head, then is' more like 1/2 moa shooting at 200 yards or consistently less than a 1" group. Not undoable as my recently rebuilt 223 Rem M700V with Kreiger 8" twist will do that with match and quality varmint bullets. A couple weeks ago I shot a 200/11x F class score at 300 yards. The 10 ring is moa and the X ring is 1/2 moa. Conditions, let alone a very accurate rifle, a quality scope and an excellent load, have to be very, very good to consistently put 49 of 50 shots into even 1/2 moa at 200 yards.
Shooting moa consistently at 1000 yards with a good rifle, good scope and a good load capable of such that is properly zeroed isn't really that difficult for an experienced shooter. It's the getting there which stymies most and even then, can separate the men from the boys. Many 1000 yard matches are shot with service rifles, match rifle and Palma rifles having aperture sights [not high powered scopes] shooting from a prone position with sling [that's with no rest]. Usually, a relay will consist of 15 or 20 shots for record with 2 sighters allowed with a time limit of 1 minute per shot for 17 or 22 minutes for the relay. The 10 ring is 2 moa, and the X ring is moa. Many matches are won by X count with several shooters having "clean" scores.
Larry Gibson
“Deficient observation is merely a form of ignorance and responsible for the many morbid notions and foolish ideas prevailing.”
― Nikola Tesla
when people volunteer information about their greatness I tend to ignore them.
Great video. Great shooting as well. I learned a looooong time ago, that just because a person can shoot 1 moa @ 100 yards, doesn't mean most can hold that @ 200 yards and beyond. Especially with the average deer rifle. I'd have that ole boy watching my back any time.
If a 41 won't stop it, I wouldn't bet my life on a 44.
I do my best to not talk to anybody when I’m shooting at the range other than “are we clear for firing” it saves the stupidity and the drama. People sure like to come up and talk to you about my guns though and get all excited. I just try to stay quiet and keep it to a minimum and get my shooting in.
From those I have heard tell me of shooting a deer at a thousand yards, once they are taken to a measured shooting range, they tend to drop off 6-700 yards.
I would be somewhat baffled about scope adjustment at 1000 yards, as I have only shot buffalo rifles with iron sights at that range.
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The solid soft lead bullet is undoubtably the best and most satisfactory expanding bullet that has ever been designed. It invariably mushrooms perfectly, and never breaks up. With the metal base that is essential for velocities of 2000 f.s. and upwards to protect the naked base, these metal-based soft lead bullets are splendid.
John Taylor - "African Rifles and Cartridges"
Forget everything you know about loading jacketed bullets. This is a whole new ball game!
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BR | Bench Rest | M | Magnum | RN | Round Nose |
BT | Boat Tail | PL | Power-Lokt | SP | Soft Point |
C | Compressed Charge | PR | Primer | SPCL | Soft Point "Core-Lokt" |
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