380 shot shells

[jmorris]

Anyone made them? If so what is your process/load data and do they run?

[jmorris]

Had a little time this morning and came up with this.

Looks like I can get around 330 #12 shot (67 grains) with a card over 2 grains of N310 and the shot.

[popper]

How'd yo do that? Interested in some for 40SW.

[Outpost75]

Looks like lathe turn from 5.56mm brass??

[jmorris]

Yes, it's a turned .223 case. For .40 you would want to start with .30 Remington cases.

[victorfox]

or if you have time in your hands and willing to load one by one, you could revisit the 44XL and make paper capsules for shot

you could proably get 90-100 gr of shot...

[WebMonkey]

these are 38spl shotshells I loaded (top of picture)
over powder card then shot then over shot disk then run through the factory crimp die (sizes after crimping for a nice shell)

the 'shotshell kit' I got from:
http://www.sagesoutdoors.com/shotwad...-shotwad-kits/

good luck

[jmorris]

380 shot shells.

First step is to turn the .223 case back and I built a little fixture to trim them to .980"



Once locked into the fixture I rough cut them long then hit it on a disk sander that gets it to .980"


I used Winchester SPP to ignite the N310 under a cardboard wad with 60 grains of #12 shot (about 250 pellets), then a plastic overshot card crimped in place using an old RCBS 45 ACP round nose seat die.



Not the best pattern in the world but not too bad with the small payload.




Even cycles the pistol, here is a video.

[victorfox]

this is cool. It's a Bersa? Nice looking shells and good shooting.

[GRUMPA]

Yes, it's a turned .223 case. For .40 you would want to start with .30 Remington cases.

Your right, one of these days I'll need to give it a try....

[RoyEllis]

You sure? My .40 cases mike .423 at mouth, .424 at base and if memory serves correctly the .30 Rem is the parent case for 10mm auto (the parent case for .40 s&w) as well as parent case of 6.8 SPC.

[GRUMPA]

I make the 30Rem from 30-30 brass, just check the diameter of a 30-30 case. It'll take a bit of lathe time but it can be done..

[popper]

Do they cycle OK? I guess 10mm cases would possibly work. Maybe I'll just get some gaiters.

[jmorris]

Yes, the 380's seem to cycle fine. The video in #8 is of them cycling a Walther PPk and this one is out of a LCP.

[too many things]

wow some of you have WAY too much time I would go fishing

[GRUMPA]

Well......I had some of the Rem cases in the scrap bucket and this idea gave me another use for them. Took out a couple and trimmed them for a case length of 1.100 and sized the neck with my 357mag sizer die. According to my 40cal chamber gauge it should work fine as far as fitting in the chamber.

Now I need to come up with a load and an idea on what to use for an over shot card. I have the option of either using an over shot card or........using my notching die and make a crimp using that.

Sad thing is (or good thing) I don't own a 40cal anything to test. Making the shot loads for the 10mm would be kinda simple once I get the 40cal figured out....

[Mk42gunner]

I have only made shot loads for a .45ACP, at least for auto loaders. I have used both .35 cal gas checks and wads cut from soda boxes for overshot wads. I think plastic cut from a coffee can lid would work fine also.

A wild guess says to try .30 cal or 8mm gaschecks, but you guys with the case in hand will have a better idea of the diameter needed.

Yet another case for possible use for the .40 or 10mm is the 10mm Magnum; but considering the cost, it is probably a wash with using converted rifle cases for those rounds.

60 grains of #12 shot doesn't sound like much; but it is two to three times what a .22LR shotshell holds, and they do okay for Mr. No Shoulders.

Robert

[GRUMPA]

I made 2 40cal shot loads last night, of course from my scraped out Rem cases. All the dimensions are there, and I trimmed the cases to 1.120 and used my 357mag sizer to make the shoulder. I used #8 shot to start, yeah I know its a bit big but for prototype work and function testing I'm going with that. I did manage to get 95gr of #8 shot in the case, I'm using 5gr 231 with an over powder wad, the shot, and a homemade over shot card for the prototypes.

Using the Rem cases is expensive to say the least, at $1ea just for the case it's more of a novelty than anything.

A person can use 30-30 brass, that'll allow a person to make either 40cal or the 10mm shot loads. Your going to need a lathe in order to do it though, and it takes a bit of time to do. Who knows I may make a thread about it later, but first....I need to find someone with a 40cal to test them and go from there.

[popper]

Gee, CCI makes them, 40S&W 88gr #9 in Al. case - ~$15/10. If you can find them. My interest would be for dove/pig hunting protection but for 1-2 times a year, gaiters are more useful. Especially in the cactus. Not about to try a 20ga near my feet. I did get a field mouse on the 3rd shot with the 40, has become a sport with 9mm on a friends place.

[GRUMPA]

Gee, CCI makes them, 40S&W 88gr #9 in Al. case - ~$15/10. If you can find them.

C'mon popper.....you should know us poor folks come up with all kinds of ways to save that .05 whenever we can. Not to mention......some folks just use there time for something other than watching an idiot box....... being creative.