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    Scope on a spring rifle

    All: I took the plunge in a small way, picked up a Gamo Whisper Fusion spring rifle. It came with a scope which I'll use until it proves to be useless. The real question is how do you adjust the scope without burning though a bunch of pellets? I have lots of centerfire rifles, all of which I bore sighted without a collimator. That's not an option so are there some tricks that I can use?

    The other issue I need to understand is the sound level. Fairly loud for an air rifle! Almost .22 level. Is that normal or did I miss something in the setup instructions? My only other experience is with a really old Benjamin.

    Thanks in advance.

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    I recently got a Weihrauch HW97K Blue underlever springer and scoped it with an Athlon 4-14X. I simply put a box out at around 10yds and had it close enough to fine tune it at 25 in short order.

    Don't expect much from a ''kit'' scope. I got one on a Hatsan 95 Vortex, and I don't think it lasted through sighting in. Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Mercurio View Post
    All: I took the plunge in a small way, picked up a Gamo Whisper Fusion spring rifle. It came with a scope which I'll use until it proves to be useless. The real question is how do you adjust the scope without burning though a bunch of pellets? I have lots of centerfire rifles, all of which I bore sighted without a collimator. That's not an option so are there some tricks that I can use?

    The other issue I need to understand is the sound level. Fairly loud for an air rifle! Almost .22 level. Is that normal or did I miss something in the setup instructions? My only other experience is with a really old Benjamin.

    Thanks in advance.
    A very close friend, now deceased, had one of these, and although I purchased one rifle and two handguns from his widow, this was NOT on my "want" list. (Mind you, I'm not "dissing" the 'Whisper -- some like blondes, others red-heads, others brunettes, etc... )
    Ed's was quite noisy/loud, too; major dis-like was it being quite inconsistent re where the pellet would land from day to day.
    Re your 'scope inquiry, MY method is to shoot three shots at (I'm NOT kidding) about six foot range. From this I adjust elevation and windage and move to about fifteen feet; and then to 25 feet (between 7 and 8 meters). That's it! Once I get a good group at 25 feet, I then take the plunge shooting 10 meters (32.8 feet).
    At the least, generally ten shots will be on the PAPER at ten meters, and I can then "fine tune".
    Regardless, it generally takes ten pellets or less to get there.
    Good luck! Maybe Ed's 'Whisper was the one which slipped past quality control?
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    Thanks to both of you for the responses. I figured I'd have to tune windage from short range and then fine tune the elevation as the range increased. I have a coupe of mid $ range scopes, likely will just shelve the unit that came with the air rifle. Minute-of-beercan accuracy is all that I need to have fun. Was not expecting to need ear muffs with an airgun though.

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    I am no expert but, in my experience, a high-power springer is tricky to shoot accurately.
    Not only do they tear up scopes, but the change where they hit depending on how you hold them.
    I have a beautiful Hatsan .25 caliber springer that hits like a sledgehammer.
    I now have a beautiful Hatsan .25 caliber PCP that also hits like a sledgehammer, maybe a bit harder and is easier to keep on target.
    If I ever buy another air rifle it will not be a springer.
    Don't get me wrong, I still like my springers, but I have progressed beyond them.

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    Greg: Sight the gun in dead on at 10 yards, it should be a little high at 20 and 30 yards and then back on at 40. As far as burning up a bunch of pellets? Isn't that what you bought the gun for.? It will surprise you how long it takes to go thru a tin of 500 pellets which cost you maybe $12.or .0025 each. Just remember you have to cock that gun every time you shoot it, that takes longer.

    Even with top of the line pellets JSB exact pellets you are looking at $18/500 or .0035 each. The whole reason to buy one of these guns is so that you can shoot until you are blue in the face for little or nothing. If you could shoot 50 rounds in one sitting you'd have spent $1.80! I don't know you but I am pretty sure you can afford $1.80 for a couple of hours of fun???

    No need to skimp on pellets. Plenty more where they came from. https://www.pyramydair.com/ammo/pellets?pg=all

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    Yep,yep,and yep,, go have fun. It will come to ya..what pellets are you shooting.

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    I did the same as the above did. Get close, shoot a couple of shots. adjust scope. shoot a couple more. Back up and adjust again. Be sure to use the Artillery hold instead of a firm grip on the forearm.
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    Bryan Scott: Right now, Gamo Magnum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Mercurio View Post
    Bryan Scott: Right now, Gamo Magnum.
    reason I ask was .you say it's loud. that rifle has a shroud of sorts to reduce air release noise out of muzzel but if the air rifle has enought power. you might be breaking the sound barrier. about 1050 in north tx. so if .177 those pellets are 7.5 grains. that's light.. you most likely need heavier anyway for best accuracy
    8 grain . to 10.5 grain

    also the mechanism in the gun will will also seem lound . being right on your cheek resonating into your head.. I still relate fireing a magnum springer to laying your head on the fender of a truck and have someone slam the hood...

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    If you are going to change scopes, keep in mind, air gun scopes are a different animal. Put the best high-power scope you can find, on an air rifle and it will be gutted in just a few shots, double recoil. You can put a $20,00-dollar, air gun scope on a 30/06 or bigger, no problem. With you head on the stock you are also hearing the spring gun action working, adds to the sound of the report. Even Olympic grade pellets are cheap compared to powder driven cartages. Even at $20.00 a tin ( 500 ) is cheap compared to centerfire rounds, even .22 rimfire rounds. So just enjoy and keep your shills up. I shoot 50 to 500 pellets every day, cheap practice. Cheap enjoyment. Last time I ordered pellets, if I remember correctly, I ordered about 30,000 from Daesy. They came delivered at about $3.00/500, target stile. Even with an air rifle you need hearing protection.

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    " Even with an air rifle you need hearing protection."
    I don't think mine with a built in suppressor needs one.
    But please tell me if I am wrong. I have already lost 100% of my high frequency hearing in my left ear and 90% in my right ear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by farmerjim View Post
    " Even with an air rifle you need hearing protection."
    I don't think mine with a built in suppressor needs one.
    But please tell me if I am wrong. I have already lost 100% of my high frequency hearing in my left ear and 90% in my right ear.
    your last statement seams to answer your question? I am deaf in my left ear and very diminished in my right ear, due to gunfire, I ware ears all the time and still lost most of my hearing. just saying

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    A properly suppressed PCP air rifle does not require hearing protection. I have done a fair bit of shooting with a Daystate wearing a Donny FL moderator and a DAR that comes suppressed from the factory. Both are .22's and very pleasant to shoot.

    I would never buy a springer again. Had a decent RWS but too much of a workout if you want to shoot 200 rounds a day or more and a pain to shoot off a bench.

    I start sighting in at about 20 ft shooting at a sheet of paper or bottom of a cardboard box. Maybe I have been lucky?
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    I just recently entered the world of PCP.
    Not much more enjoyable than shooting a suppressed PCP rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmacgyver0 View Post
    I just recently entered the world of PCP.
    Not much more enjoyable than shooting a suppressed PCP rifle.
    I agree, stepped in pcp puddle in 2009 ,, pcp support is very expensive. there great, and i shot more pellets in a year or so than i've shot all firearms, and pellet guns in my life time.but a springer is self supportive ,, i have recently pulled out my springers , and started shooting them again, i bought a basket case FWB 124, out of a pawn shop several years ago, i completely re finished the rifle , the stock was broken, refinished and repaired the stock , put a marconi tune kit in it, shot it a few times and put it in the safe. Well i've just mounted a scope on it and started shooting this rifle. And let me tel, you, its silk smooth , a pure joy to shoot compared to magnum springers . I have Model 48 RWS, M 34 RWS, have shot Hatson 95 Allot..

    Something to be said about a quality , not so magnum springer its easy to cock , doesn't feel like a bomb going off when you pull the trigger. and very accurate,

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    I just shot a varmint (tree rat) thats been chewing holes in my Coleman canoe yesterday with my Hatsan .25 caliber Model 135 QE Vortex.
    Bear to cock and weighs a ton, but hits like a sledgehammer.
    I tend to shoot all my air guns from time to time.

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    I broke in a hatson 95 gas ram for a friend, trigger work , lapped barrel , locktite. All screws . I'm impressed with hatson , for the money for sure . He didn't want to spend the money on the 135, I put 400 or so rounds thru it,, original scope and mounts, off in a day, scope stop bent with broke screw. Shortly after, put a solid mount on, 4 or 5 clamp screws, 4 per scope RIng, tried a scope from wall mart , center point I think, it lived thru the break in, and it's on my fwb 124 now .

    I have another project right now , a basket case British webby patriot . Not allot of parts out there for them anymore. I'll get it going.

    So the 135 is suppose to be the most powerful springer I read. How much have you shot it. How do you compare to other guns, etc.

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    I don't know if it's "the" most powerful springer (actually a gas ram), but it seems pretty powerful to me.
    It comes in several calibers including .30, but I decided on the .25 caliber.
    I like it a lot, I also have a Gamo Whisper in .177, the Hatsan is a lot prettier with its walnut stock.
    I got my first PCP because I have an ATN X-Sight 4K and didn't want to tear it up on a springer.
    I now have 3 PCP guns Hatsan .25-cal Flashpup, Beeman .22-cal underlever and a Beeman .177-cal pistol.
    Also have some various CO2 guns and a couple small springers and BB guns.

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