WHY would anyone use PP? They are totally antigun
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Thanks, Scott / dsh1106! OK, for a fact I bought an item on eBay which I paid for using PayPal. Item came defective and seller refunded most (not all) my money. Hence, I just got money sent returned, this with a "cost of doing business" to me. The IRS would consider this taxable income???
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George as a buyer you would not be subject to a 1099. Only people selling goods.
Yep, as I am downsizing and selling my personal tools and ect; I will no longer accept Paypal Goods and Services payments. I have no receipts for the stuff I'm selling, that I bought 1 to 2 decades ago, I wasn't buying it to resell, I bought it to use and I did use most items...and it wasn't used for business, it was used for hobby. I have no way to prove what I have invested in these items, so if there is some gain when sold, How would I explain that to one of the new 87,000 new IRS agents when they come to visit.
So it's Paypal F&F only for me, or some other form of payment where the IRS is NOT in the loop. Paypal made this option just for people like me to unload my garage sale type items.
That's my 2˘
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The PROBLEM with receiving paypal payments, is buyers don't bother to L@@K when they send money, and they send G&S unconsciously.
Paypal offers the account owner ABSOLUTELY NO WAY TO STOP THESE PAYMENTS!
You CANNOT filter out G&S payments if someone sends one you are stuck with it adding to your yearly total, EVEN if you refund the payment, and there was NO TRANSACTION, Paypal STILL reports it to the IRS on your 1099. That, by itself, SUCKS!
I had to shut down my paypal account totally against receiving payments of any kind, the only payments my account will receive are refunds from ebay. Hell I cannot even go to walmart and put cash into my account!
I had Paypal reps on the phone several times and went around and around with them, filed a written complaint outlining the facts I mentioned in my previous paragraph, to no avail (so far).
All this, to stop users who would send me work, from sending G&S payments because they could not look beyond their NOSE to see how the payment was being sent. I have lost a **** TON of business from not taking paypal. 75% loss of business.
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When someone says they will only sell with pay pal, I just move on.
got scammed - And now i will never again deal with any seller that fraudulently tries to save a few dollars by requiring F+F [ now called trusted person ] payment only - user protection by paypal well worth the extra fee -
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I am in the same boat as George, I am disabled and have a very hard time walking. Standing for more than a couple minutes is out of the question. I have a wheelchair but I do not like using it unless I absolutely have to. Plus my shoulders are both blown out so getting the chair in and out of the car is excruciating, just not worth doing unless I have help. I don't like supporting anti-gun outfits but in some cases there are no better alternatives if you want something fast and the buyer does not accept personal checks. And a LOT of people do not accept personal checks anymore. And if you think about it, UPS, USPS and Fed-Ex are all anti-gun so what are we left with to get stuff sent to us once we do manage to pay for it? We are going to be supporting some anti-gun outfit whether we like it or not.
I stopped any and all consideration of this justification recently, and ONLY use F&F all around everywhere. Previously, this quote I agreed 100% with and used when I felt appropriate. The change for me was consideration of Paypal's draconian policies for firearm related stuff.
Imagine a scenario:
You select 'puchasing goods or service' in paypal for the reason you describe and the deal goes south. You contact paypal to get a benefit, and tell them the gun/frame/barrel/powder/grips/whatever you bought was not properly transacted. Now Paypal is aware the goods in question violate their terms of service. Maybe it doesn't even violate their terms of service but it is "close enough" that the service rep can't tell the difference and is anti-gun besides.
whether you are the buyer or seller, is there any positive outcome from this? I can't think of any.
Now, I haven't had to deal with paypal for transaction issues as either a buyer or seller yet. I don't know how likely it is that there will be disclosure of the goods subject to the transaction. But I do know there is risk, and that the horror stories out there by some speak for themselves.
IMO the better policy is either "trust" F&F or use another service... At least that is my thinking these days.
I've been thinking. If your sales on PayPal are going to be considered income, shouldn't you charge PayPal users a "transaction fee" in line with your income tax rate? So, if I am in the 22% tax rate, and PayPal's fees are 3%, shouldn't I charge PayPal users a 25% surcharge because they use PayPal?
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Last edited by GoodAlloy; 10-01-2022 at 05:46 PM.
People think USPS MO are the only game in town. Walmart MO's are cheaper, easier, and faster to get (and cash) then messing around with the PO. And good luck if you still think USPS backs up your MO against fraud. As a seller I ask for Certified Checks. I only use to do this for large ticket items but since Paypal has already informed me that I've exceeded the $600 limit it's CC all the way out. A Certified Check is money drawn from the buyer's account, transferred to the bank, and then the bank issues a check in the same amount. As a buyer you just need to know who you're dealing with. This is the way business was done buying and selling stuff interstate before computers.
Both sides have a valid stance, my personal stance however, is that paypal is an anti 2nd Amendment company, and I will not deal with them. They may be fast and easy to use (personally I have no idea now, as I stopped using them many years ago after they screwed me out of MY MONEY). When I offer up brass for sale to everyone here, it states pretty clearly, NO PAYPAL!!! I may have lost a small handful of sales over that, but the brass still sold to someone else. Maybe I am just getting old and cranky, but I still believe Americans should be at work making envelopes, stamps, checks and delivering mail. Hope everyone has a great day.
I am with Devidog. No PP for me either, good for those who like it though. I'd rather pay for a USPS money order than give money to these creepy pot smoking computer thief's who just keep it up figuring out how to make us all pay more for being alive.
I've just deleted my PayPal account after many years. I cannot abide companies that have to inject their political agenda into their businesses. Just recently they had a huge fiasco where they were going to "fine" users $2500 for basically wrong-think. It got leaked that this was in the works and they quickly retracted it saying it was a "mistake". They already are anti-constitution so anyone with half a brain realizes that they are lying.
Anyway, I've heard of GabPay which is supposed to be like PayPal, but without the leftist communist woke garbage. I have not looked into it much so I cannot vouch for the quality of the service, but I have heard about it as an alternative to PayPal. It might be worth looking into. https://help.gab.com/article/gab-pay-overview
I sell occasionally here on Cast Boolits and have done cash, MO, and PayPal without any issues. But from now on, no PayPal for me.
I've had PayPal for a while, quick, easy, until they started to change how they did business.
Besides their anti gun agenda they wanted me to connect my bank account to them, I refused, last couple of transactions I had a handling charge of over $10 each, I called the bank and they told me it wasn't them that it was an international charge from a bank outside the US, didn't make sense since the deal was with someone in California, I finally was able to figure out that PP will add the charge to anyone that didn't have a bank account tied to them, this after it happened a second time and followed a person changing chain through PayPal when I wouldn't be satisfied with whatever they tried to tell that didn't make sense, kept changing until the truth came out, they got me for over $20 in fees, I closed the account and will never use them again.
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