Heavy bullet in 9mm?

[joebaja]

joebaja.... Do you think 231 or Red Dot would work with this bullet?
leadhead

I haven't used Red Dot, or 231 with this particular bullet, but I have had decent results with 231 with other heavies.

[leadhead]

Yes, I used 231 with 147gr cast before... no reason it won't work with the 150gr.
leadhead

[marlin39a]

I used the NOE 358-155 before. Sized .357. Worked well in a 9 Shield and SR9.

[leadhead]

I used the NOE 358-155 before. Sized .357. Worked well in a 9 Shield and SR9.

Yes, but what load did you use?
leadhead

[Stopsign32v]

Why are we wanting to run heavy bullets again? I could see a benefit in PCC but idk about pistols

[fredj338]

I have run 165gr bullets in 9mm for minor loads. The are only going about 800fps so very quiet report & enough mass to cycle most pistols, stupid soft recoil. The 150 Lee will work too, OAL may be an issue because of the short & round ogive. I used RedDot & WST for my loads. No data obviously, so I went with 147gr starting data.

[megasupermagnum]

Why are we wanting to run heavy bullets again? I could see a benefit in PCC but idk about pistols

I don't know what advantage a heavy bullet would have in a carbine, other than if they happen to shoot better. They offer a lot more in pistols. Especially in competitions that require a power factor. It is a skewed system strongly favoring heavy bullets.

[Stopsign32v]

I don't know what advantage a heavy bullet would have in a carbine, other than if they happen to shoot better. They offer a lot more in pistols. Especially in competitions that require a power factor. It is a skewed system strongly favoring heavy bullets.

More velocity, acceptable penetration, expansion, energy, and holds bolt closed longer. I'm sure there's more but that's 5 good reasons.

[megasupermagnum]

More velocity, acceptable penetration, expansion, energy, and holds bolt closed longer. I'm sure there's more but that's 5 good reasons.

None of those things are good attributes for a competition pistol. A heavier bullet allows a lower recoiling load at the same power factor. It's as simple as that.

[Stopsign32v]

None of those things are good attributes for a competition pistol. A heavier bullet allows a lower recoiling load at the same power factor. It's as simple as that.

What?

You said

I don't know what advantage a heavy bullet would have in a carbine, other than if they happen to shoot better.

so I said

More velocity, acceptable penetration, expansion, energy, and holds bolt closed longer. I'm sure there's more but that's 5 good reasons.

[megasupermagnum]

Thanks for letting me know. I don't shoot much for pistol carbines. I was only trying to answer your quesiton too.

[leadhead]

I just wanted a heavier bullet because it's more accurate in my Taurus G2c pistol.
I shot 147gr and they were more accurate than the 125gr. Simple as that.
leadhead

[outdoorfan]

Nothing wrong with a heavier bullet if it meets you needs or desires.

But, I wanted to add this. The heavier bullet is not needed for massive straight line penetration, at least in the case of a flat-nosed hardcast.

I like the MP 125 grain rf, which casts at 135 in the flatnosed configuration. At 20 bhn, and with a healthy dose of blue dot, it went through I think 12 1-gallon milk jugs and kept going.

Neither here nor there, but I thought I'd add that info.

[leadhead]

How deep did you have to seat the Lee 358-150 gr bullet?
I think it's going to be pretty deep in the case.
leadhead

[leadhead]

Well, I cast some bullets up this morning. I guess I'll have to scrap this idea as the bullet is to long.
I had to seat it down where it took up over half the case. Guess I'll go back to my 125 gr.
leadhead

[sigep1764]

The Elco Boolit is designed specifically for 9mm cases to run heavy boolits with a narrow nose. They can be had as a 155 grain flat nose or a 147 grain hollow point. NOE has the mold. Lots of folks on here using them. Ive cast over 20000 of them, only boolit I use in 9mm now.

[Kosh75287]

I have only loaded the one projectile that I mentioned, I haven't loaded any other heavy-for-caliber projectiles in 9 mm, but I've loaded BUCKETS of those. Bullseye/Red Dot powders & ones with similar burning rates work "okay", but not optimally with them. Velocities are low, even at max. charge weights. Medium burning rate propellants like Unique, Herco, BE-86 & AA#5 give about the best function and velocities. I could not get enough Blue Dot under the bullets (w/o compressing it) to get good function. In one of my 9mm pistols, I broke 1000 f/s with AA#5, at 0.1 gr. under max.

[Hanzy4200]

I've never gone past the 147 gr size. I can't see 150 being much different.

[leadhead]

I don't have a 147 gr mold. A buddy of mine gave me 100 of his cast 147's to try.
I'd be happy with a 147 gr mold, but I'm not paying $90 for one. That's why I
tried the Lee 150 gr. It's not going to work in my gun.
leadhead